Egypt is Obama's Iran

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The similarity between what happened when Jimmy Carter allowed the toppling of the Shah in Iran, and what is about to occur in Egypt, is stunning. The stunned and feckless leadership of an unqualified and unprepared administration, is eerily familiar. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take power in Egypt, and they very likely will do so. The left and the administration's attitude seems to be... meh, so what? Well, not good things, that's for sure.

This turn of events in Egypt changes everything in the Middle East. The Muslim Brotherhood has already stated, the 1979 peace accords with Israel is null and void. There will be war. When the images of burning oil wells and dead bodies are all over the TV, do you think President Obama will benefit from this? When we see the images of smoldering Israel, I wonder how much of the Jewish vote he will get?

What is happening in Egypt, is as much a result of Obama's speech in Cairo, than anything else related to previous US foreign policy. He owns this. His legacy as President will not be able to escape it. This will define how we remember him as president. Some will even go so far as to say Obama was behind it all, and perhaps even a part of the Muslim Brotherhood. All in all, this event will become the defining moment for Obama.
 
"Some will even go so far as to say Obama was behind it all, and perhaps even a part of the Muslim Brotherhood"

Don't you mean that you will, and already are?

This was an entertaining post, Dix. Are we supposed to pine for a Prez like Bush, who would just invade, blow stuff up & be done w/ it all?
 
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wanderingbear said:
Obama has already said that he's not taking the credit for the toppling of Mubarak. So this isn't Obama's Iran.
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Egyptians are very keen to point out that NO president, NO nation save for their own was involved. It is a tremendous source of pride for them.
Dont claim what isnt yours as you so often do.
 
Dixie said:
The similarity between what happened when Jimmy Carter allowed the toppling of the Shah in Iran, and what is about to occur in Egypt, is stunning. The stunned and feckless leadership of an unqualified and unprepared administration, is eerily familiar. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take power in Egypt, and they very likely will do so. The left and the administration's attitude seems to be... meh, so what? Well, not good things, that's for sure.

This turn of events in Egypt changes everything in the Middle East. The Muslim Brotherhood has already stated, the 1979 peace accords with Israel is null and void. There will be war. When the images of burning oil wells and dead bodies are all over the TV, do you think President Obama will benefit from this? When we see the images of smoldering Israel, I wonder how much of the Jewish vote he will get?

What is happening in Egypt, is as much a result of Obama's speech in Cairo, than anything else related to previous US foreign policy. He owns this. His legacy as President will not be able to escape it. This will define how we remember him as president. Some will even go so far as to say Obama was behind it all, and perhaps even a part of the Muslim Brotherhood. All in all, this event will become the defining moment for Obama.
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Carter's handling of the 1979 crisis was less than perfect, with the benefit of hindsight, however it has to pointed out that the Iranian army were the ones that refused to back the Shah and without them there was nothing that the US could sensibly do without invading the country. Indeed various factions of the army started to fight against each other, something that has not happened in Egypt. The US subsequently did fight a proxy war against Iran using Iraq and we all know how well that went. If you had been in Carter's shoes what would you have done differently?

There was a national referendum on 1st April 1979 and the Iranians voted overwhelmingly for Khomeini and an Islamic Republic. Maybe the French can be blamed for granting exile to Khomeini in the first instance but the real reasons for the Shah's downfall go back to the overthrow of Mohammed Mosaddegh by the US and British in 1953. The Shah was always perceived as a puppet of the US and nothing could have saved him.

I recommend that you read this Slate article as it is most enlightening.

http://www.slate.com/id/2283121/
 
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Dixie said:
The similarity between what happened when Jimmy Carter allowed the toppling of the Shah in Iran, and what is about to occur in Egypt, is stunning. The stunned and feckless leadership of an unqualified and unprepared administration, is eerily familiar. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take power in Egypt, and they very likely will do so. The left and the administration's attitude seems to be... meh, so what? Well, not good things, that's for sure.

This turn of events in Egypt changes everything in the Middle East. The Muslim Brotherhood has already stated, the 1979 peace accords with Israel is null and void. There will be war. When the images of burning oil wells and dead bodies are all over the TV, do you think President Obama will benefit from this? When we see the images of smoldering Israel, I wonder how much of the Jewish vote he will get?

What is happening in Egypt, is as much a result of Obama's speech in Cairo, than anything else related to previous US foreign policy. He owns this. His legacy as President will not be able to escape it. This will define how we remember him as president. Some will even go so far as to say Obama was behind it all, and perhaps even a part of the Muslim Brotherhood. All in all, this event will become the defining moment for Obama.
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Look on the bright side, Dixie, your Zionist masters now have the pretense they need to start killing people again, for their god given race based homeland.
 
In Dixieland, here's how it works:

If the Black president did it, it was wrong.

If the Black president didn't do it, he should have.
 
Dixie said:
The similarity between what happened when Jimmy Carter allowed the toppling of the Shah in Iran, and what is about to occur in Egypt, is stunning. The stunned and feckless leadership of an unqualified and unprepared administration, is eerily familiar. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take power in Egypt, and they very likely will do so. The left and the administration's attitude seems to be... meh, so what? Well, not good things, that's for sure.

This turn of events in Egypt changes everything in the Middle East. The Muslim Brotherhood has already stated, the 1979 peace accords with Israel is null and void. There will be war. When the images of burning oil wells and dead bodies are all over the TV, do you think President Obama will benefit from this? When we see the images of smoldering Israel, I wonder how much of the Jewish vote he will get?

What is happening in Egypt, is as much a result of Obama's speech in Cairo, than anything else related to previous US foreign policy. He owns this. His legacy as President will not be able to escape it. This will define how we remember him as president. Some will even go so far as to say Obama was behind it all, and perhaps even a part of the Muslim Brotherhood. All in all, this event will become the defining moment for Obama.
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I am glad to see you giving credit to the President for once. He owns this much less than Bush owns Iraq, but lets give it a chance and see, maybe some good will come out of this thing in Egypt. Lets give it at least as long a chance as was given to Iraq.

The arrogance of ascribing this fully to Obama is astounding to me, he may have a small bit to do with it, but come on....

I for one am happy the people of Egypt have casted out a dictator, and have a chance at freedom.

Dixie, are you saying the people of Egypt are not ready for a Democracy, that they wont be able to handle it?
 
Jarod said:
I am glad to see you giving credit to the President for once. He owns this much less than Bush owns Iraq, but lets give it a chance and see, maybe some good will come out of this thing in Egypt. Lets give it at least as long a chance as was given to Iraq.

The arrogance of ascribing this fully to Obama is astounding to me, he may have a small bit to do with it, but come on....

I for one am happy the people of Egypt have casted out a dictator, and have a chance at freedom.

Dixie, are you saying the people of Egypt are not ready for a Democracy, that they wont be able to handle it?
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Let's give it a chance? That's what we said in Iran when the Shah was toppled. Pinheads yammered about the chance for democracy... less than a month later, Khomeini stepped off the plane, and Iran was run by radical Islam. This is arguably what lead to all the rest of the radical fanaticism in the region. The further down the road of history we travel, the more convinced I become, that pinheads don't have the slightest clue what they're doing, and don't really care.
 
Dixie said:
Let's give it a chance? That's what we said in Iran when the Shah was toppled. Pinheads yammered about the chance for democracy... less than a month later, Khomeini stepped off the plane, and Iran was run by radical Islam. This is arguably what lead to all the rest of the radical fanaticism in the region. The further down the road of history we travel, the more convinced I become, that pinheads don't have the slightest clue what they're doing, and don't really care.
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Just for sheer entertainment value, would you care to outline what your ideal President would be doing to halt the will of the Egyptian people right now?

Details, please...
 
Dixie said:
Let's give it a chance? That's what we said in Iran when the Shah was toppled. Pinheads yammered about the chance for democracy... less than a month later, Khomeini stepped off the plane, and Iran was run by radical Islam. This is arguably what lead to all the rest of the radical fanaticism in the region. The further down the road of history we travel, the more convinced I become, that pinheads don't have the slightest clue what they're doing, and don't really care.
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Ok Dicks, so tell us ALL. What would Reagan have done? What would your blue jean baby queen have done? Tell us what YOU would do. Mubarak stepped down because the people of Egypt were tired of living a farce. For 30 years a dictator has bastardized the term President. He was NEVER truly democratically elected. There will be elections in September and if the Muslem Brotherhood get elected in a fair election then that is what Egypt gets. It appears to me you are endorsing the idea that the US should have used some force to stop the tide or democracy. Very american of you.
 
Dixie's stance is this:

If Obama didn't do something, he should've.

If he did do something, he shouldn't have.
 
Socrtease said:
Ok Dicks, so tell us ALL. What would Reagan have done? What would your blue jean baby queen have done? Tell us what YOU would do. Mubarak stepped down because the people of Egypt were tired of living a farce. For 30 years a dictator has bastardized the term President. He was NEVER truly democratically elected. There will be elections in September and if the Muslem Brotherhood get elected in a fair election then that is what Egypt gets. It appears to me you are endorsing the idea that the US should have used some force to stop the tide or democracy. Very american of you.
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If I were confident the people of Egypt knew and understood how democracy works, and what it entails, I would feel much better about this. Because groups like the MB can be marginalized in the arena of open thoughts and ideas, in a truly democratic society. However, in Egypt, that will not happen in the power vacuum left by Mubarak's departure. This well-organized, well-established radical fundamentalist group, has waited 60 years for this opportunity, and they will not let it pass. America appears to be weak at best, in dealing with this situation. The Obama Administration has sent a myriad of mixed messages through Hilary, and others, and there still seems to be absolutely ZERO leadership from our side. It's as if we are standing on the sidelines, waiting and watching for calamity to happen, knowing it's going to, but paralyzed to do anything about it.

What would Reagan or Bush have done? No way to know for sure, but how about getting the UN and NATO involved? Isn't this just the sort of thing the UN was originally designed to deal with? Reagan would have had James Baker holding talks with the leaders of Egypt's neighboring countries, six months ago... trying to find a solution to the potential crisis... but now, we have a full-blown crisis, and every opportunity to stave it off, is water under the bridge. As is so very often the case with pinhead liberals in charge... let things go to shit, then bat those Nancy Pelosi eyes, and say... whell, there wasn't really anything WE could do! :dunno:
 
Onceler said:
Just for sheer entertainment value, would you care to outline what your ideal President would be doing to halt the will of the Egyptian people right now?

Details, please...
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You don't really think he has any idea either, do you? If the Muslim Brotherhood can it will raise the spectre of the evil US so the more Obama distances himself from events the better.
 
Dixie said:
If I were confident the people of Egypt knew and understood how democracy works, and what it entails, I would feel much better about this. Because groups like the MB can be marginalized in the arena of open thoughts and ideas, in a truly democratic society. However, in Egypt, that will not happen in the power vacuum left by Mubarak's departure. This well-organized, well-established radical fundamentalist group, has waited 60 years for this opportunity, and they will not let it pass. America appears to be weak at best, in dealing with this situation. The Obama Administration has sent a myriad of mixed messages through Hilary, and others, and there still seems to be absolutely ZERO leadership from our side. It's as if we are standing on the sidelines, waiting and watching for calamity to happen, knowing it's going to, but paralyzed to do anything about it.

What would Reagan or Bush have done? No way to know for sure, but how about getting the UN and NATO involved? Isn't this just the sort of thing the UN was originally designed to deal with? Reagan would have had James Baker holding talks with the leaders of Egypt's neighboring countries, six months ago... trying to find a solution to the potential crisis... but now, we have a full-blown crisis, and every opportunity to stave it off, is water under the bridge. As is so very often the case with pinhead liberals in charge... let things go to shit, then bat those Nancy Pelosi eyes, and say... whell, there wasn't really anything WE could do! :dunno:
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Exactly what I thought. You have nothing but criticism. This issue is an internal issue for the Egyptian government and the Egyptian people. You sit and decry the end of the Shah, the man was a totalitarian and a thug. No Khomeini was no better, but the people of Iran CHOSE him. What about that don't you get. The Shah was as big a piece of shit as Khomeini. The Iranian people were tired of living under his rule. His family supported Germany in WWII. He used SAVAK to suppress his own people. He ruled in the same vein as Saddam who you repeatedly tell us was a horrible leader. Mubarak is a bad guy too. He was our bad guy and that is why you are afraid. You fear that some other bad guy will take over and then tell the Egyptians about all our help in making Mubarak a bad guy.
 
Onceler said:
Just for sheer entertainment value, would you care to outline what your ideal President would be doing to halt the will of the Egyptian people right now?

Details, please...
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No answer for this one....shocker!

You have once again put yourself out there in a frenzy of Obama hate, and been exposed & embarassed. What an idiot.

The OP is BS. Total BS.
 
tom prendergast said:
Carter's handling of the 1979 crisis was less than perfect, with the benefit of hindsight, however it has to pointed out that the Iranian army were the ones that refused to back the Shah and without them there was nothing that the US could sensibly do without invading the country. Indeed various factions of the army started to fight against each other, something that has not happened in Egypt. The US subsequently did fight a proxy war against Iran using Iraq and we all know how well that went. If you had been in Carter's shoes what would you have done differently?

There was a national referendum on 1st April 1979 and the Iranians voted overwhelmingly for Khomeini and an Islamic Republic. Maybe the French can be blamed for granting exile to Khomeini in the first instance but the real reasons for the Shah's downfall go back to the overthrow of Mohammed Mosaddegh by the US and British in 1953. The Shah was always perceived as a puppet of the US and nothing could have saved him.

I recommend that you read this Slate article as it is most enlightening.

http://www.slate.com/id/2283121/
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I wouldn't confuse Dixie with the facts if I was you.
 
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