Drive the process

AssHatZombie said:
WOw. You're a real brainwash victim. That's sad.
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:)

I know you don't really mean that and you love me.

I forgive you.

It's an aversion to elitism and institutional dysfunction.
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It's sheepish whining.

Your counter to their processes is to drive processes of your own, not stand around sheep-like whining that there are wolves in the forest.

Either you drive or you get driven.

Stop being a fucking passenger, get off the bus, get your own vehicle and learn how to drive.
 
blackascoal said:
:)

I know you don't really mean that and you love me.

I forgive you.



It's sheepish whining.

Your counter to their processes is to drive processes of your own, not stand around sheep-like whining that there are wolves in the forest.

Either you drive or you get driven.

Stop being a fucking passenger, get off the bus, get your own vehicle and learn how to drive.
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No. It's a belief in valuing others instead of dismissing them to maintain my own position, out of fear, and the false dichotomies of thought needed to perpetuate the abusiveness, namely, the belief that one must either drive or be driven. That's a false dichotomy.
 
I believe framing other individuals as mere vehicles for one's own travelling is the root of all human evil.
 
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Meetings where some dork talks "six sigma" and "ISO" while telling me to "drive the process" are wastes of time, useless sound waves used to give some idiot who cannot "do" something that he uses to justify his paycheck. Yet he is still one step removed from anything that will ever effect a customer, he makes no decisions, he drives nothing but wasteful meetings and lower morale.

If people in business cannot see that these people are a waste of space then they deserve to fail.

These would be the first people laid off in my company.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. It's a belief in valuing others instead of dismissing them to maintain my own position, out of fear, and the false dichotomies of thought needed to perpetuate the abusiveness, namely, the belief that one must either drive or be driven. That's a false dichotomy.
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You can value others all you want, but if your role is leadership, "others" are secondary to the mission.

No differently than the military in combat. The opinions of "others", although respectfully taken, don't drive the process nor should they.

Not sure if you've ever been in a leadership position my brother, but it's often lonely .. which is why everybody isn't qualified for leadership. Of course, those not qualified for leadership will whine about leadership because they have no understanding of it.

There's nothing false about that dichotomy.

If you're comfortable as a passenger, I'm cool with that .. for you .. but I like to drive.
 
Is it cynical to tell a manager when he asks about something based on your experience, (tauntingly, mockingly, I dare say) and you reply, "All i've learned is my opinion doesn't matter"?

Is that offputting? Cynical? Maybe I'm burned out.
 
blackascoal said:
You can value others all you want, but if your role is leadership, "others" are secondary to the mission.

No differently than the military in combat. The opinions of "others", although respectfully taken, don't drive the process nor should they.

Not sure if you've ever been in a leadership position my brother, but it's often lonely .. which is why everybody isn't qualified for leadership. Of course, those not qualified for leadership will whine about leadership because they have no understanding of it.

There's nothing false about that dichotomy.

If you're comfortable as a passenger, I'm cool with that .. for you .. but I like to drive.
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There are more types of relationships in the world that drive or be driven. Some institutions you mentioned are like that. Sometimes that works. But it's not the only organization paradigm, but of course, assholes like it because it's consistent with their own narcissism.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I believe framing other individuals as mere vehicles for one's own travelling is the root of all human evil.
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You prove my point in that you're talking about the destination, not the driving.

The antiwar movement drove the process to end the war and it didn't require using people as "mere vehicles", but required galvanizing people who held similar beliefs about the war.

I don't think you understand that driving the process is otherwise called "leadership."
 
blackascoal said:
You prove my point in that you're talking about the destination, not the driving.

The antiwar movement drove the process to end the war and it didn't require using people as "mere vehicles", but required galvanizing people who held similar beliefs about the war.

I don't think you understand that driving the process is otherwise called "leadership."
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No. You were talking about viewing others as vehicles for your will. Granola aside.
 
AssHatZombie said:
There are more types of relationships in the world that drive or be driven. Some institutions you mentioned are like that. Sometimes that works. But it's not the only organization paradigm, but of course, assholes like it because it's consistent with their own narcissism.
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I like it when you speak big words to me. :)

However, no matter how large the word, "leadership" is still the word that describes driving the process.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. You were talking about viewing others as vehicles for your will. Granola aside.
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Dude, isn't that what employees do?

Employees are the only ones I'm talking about using for my will .. and they get paid for my use of their talents .. because my clients pay me for the use of mine.

Eat the granola.
 
blackascoal said:
I like it when you speak big words to me. :)

However, no matter how large the word, "leadership" is still the word that describes driving the process.
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Shit dude. Im still down with BAC train. We should do lunch. Get me corner office and Ill drive your peasants for ya.
 
blackascoal said:
Dude, isn't that what employees do?

Employees are the only ones I'm talking about using for my will .. and they get paid for my use of their talents .. because my clients pay me for the use of mine.

Eat the granola.
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And you get to choose your organization structure. Im just saying. another way could be more powerful, but you may never know, being locked into hierarchy.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Is it cynical to tell a manager when he asks about something based on your experience, (tauntingly, mockingly, I dare say) and you reply, "All i've learned is my opinion doesn't matter"?

Is that offputting? Cynical? Maybe I'm burned out.
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I never say that to anyone whether employee or not ('cept on a message board).

I solicit the opinions of those who work for me, but the final decision rests with me, because frankly, they don't have all the information.
 
AssHatZombie said:
And you get to choose your organization structure. Im just saying. another way could be more powerful, but you may never know, being locked into hierarchy.
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Now I have a better undersatnding of where you're coming from, although in business my brother, you don't get to do to much experimenting when salaries and livelihoods, including my own, are on the line.

This is especially true when you've come to a formula that works. I stick with my formula because it works, for now.
 
BAC, I think you've mistaken my meaning. There are people who drive the process, and there are people who sit in meetings and repeat the phrase without once understanding the meaning of it.

People who are driving the process are not usually running around saying silly things like "We need to drive the process" in meetings.
 
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