Dreamliner?? More like a nightmare liner!!

Rune said:
Enron is a Poor example.
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No, it's not. The reason Enron failed was because of deregulation - rather, corruption and a failure to regulate.

John Ashcroft, whose Justice Department launched its criminal investigation Thursday into Enron's fall — and the remarkable foresight of its top executives in parachuting out early and rich — recused himself and his chief of staff from the probe, just as designated attack Democrat Henry Waxman was dashing off a letter reminding Ashcroft that he'd received $25,000 from Enronites for a Senate re-election campaign. The exodus may not stop there; Bush SEC chairman Harvey Pitt once did some work for Arthur Andersen, the blind (and document-shredding) accounting watchdog in the drama, and could be next to eagerly recuse himself from ever having to give a press conference on his agency's investigation, either.

Even Dick Cheney is playing ball, sending word Wednesday from his undisclosed ballpark that yes, he'd met with Lay six times during the energy-policy formulations of last spring, but no, the influence-seeking Lay didn't happen to mention to the Vice President or anyone else around that he was chairman of a house of cards
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Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,192920,00.html#ixzz2HlpAfGv1
 
Rune said:
Exactly. That is why it is a poor example. Regulations which may have worked were purposely circumvented with assistance of those in authority.
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It's a poor example for ILA, but for me - the one arguing against deregulation - it's great.

Here's another(from TYT, a news organization formerly associated with Current):
 
787 unsafe, claims former Boeing engineer

By Lester Haines
Posted in Science, 19th September 2007 18:38 GMT
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A former Boeing engineer claims the 787 Dreamliner is unsafe, and that in the event of a crash its innovative composite material fuselage would "shatter too easily and burn with toxic fumes", the Seattle Times reports.
Vince Weldon was sacked in July 2006 from his post as senior aerospace engineer at Boeing's Phantom Works research unit for "disputed reasons". He argues that "without years of further research, Boeing shouldn't build the Dreamliner and that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) shouldn't certify the jet to fly".

Weldon's allegations are detailed in a letter to the FAA, which claims:

  • The brittleness of the plastic material from which the 787 fuselage is built would create a more severe impact shock to passengers than an aluminium plane, which absorbs impact in a crash by crumpling. A crash also could shatter the plastic fuselage, creating a hole that would allow smoke and toxic fumes to fill the passenger cabin.
  • After such a crash landing, the composite plastic material burning in a jet-fuel fire would create "highly toxic smoke and tiny inhalable carbon slivers" that "would likely seriously incapacitate or kill passengers".
  • The recently conducted crashworthiness tests — in which Boeing dropped partial fuselage sections from a height of about 15 feet at a test site in Mesa, Ariz. — are inadequate and do not match the stringency of comparable tests conducted on a 737 fuselage section in 2000.
  • The conductive metal mesh embedded in the 787's fuselage surface to conduct away lightning is too light and vulnerable to hail damage, and is little better than a "Band-Aid."
In a "whistle-blower complaint" filed with the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), Weldon claimed that his firing was "retaliation for raising concerns throughout the last two years of his employment about the crashworthiness of the 787". Boeing, however, told the OSHA he was "dismissed for threatening a supervisor, specifically for stating he wanted to hang the African-American executive 'on a meat hook' and that he 'wouldn't mind' seeing a noose around the executive's neck", the Seattle Times reports. OSHA dismissed Weldon's claim, denying him whistle-blower status "largely on the grounds that Boeing's 787 design does not violate any FAA regulations or standards".

FAA spokesman Mike Fergus confirmed earlier this week the 787 will "not be certified unless it meets all the FAA's criteria, including a specific requirement that Boeing prove passengers will have at least as good a chance of surviving a crash landing as they would in current metal airliners".

A Boeing spokeswoman assured the Seattle Times: "We have to demonstrate [to the FAA] comparable crashworthiness to today's airplanes. We are doing that."
She elaborated that recent crash tests were "successful but are only the beginning of a process that relies on computer modeling to cover every possible crash scenario". The tests also demonstrated that "shards of composite material released in a crash are not a shape that is easily inhaled", and that "the smoke produced by composites in a jet-fuel fire is no more toxic than the smoke from the crash of an aluminum plane". Finally, she confirmed the Dreamliner's lightning protection "will meet FAA requirements".

Weldon's serious allegations come as Boeing is struggling to keep the Dreamliner to its original launch schedule. It planned the aircraft's maiden flight for August, now put back to mid-November to mid-December due to a "critical shortage of aerospace fasteners to hold the airplane together", as the Wall Street Journal explains. Company execs have, nonetheless, declared Boeing will deliver the first example in May 2008, despite industry pundits and "a number of the plane's suppliers" describing this feat as "the aerospace equivalent of hitting a hole in one on a golf course". Indeed, if the 787 took to the air in mid-November, Boeing would have just six months to complete the flight test and certification program - compared to 11 months for the 777.

Boeing has secured 684 Dreamliner orders from 47 customers. All-Nippon Airways will be the first to get its hands on the controls, and is reportedly pretty relaxed about any potential delivery delay since it will deploy the airliner to replace its 767 fleet, and can continue to operate the latter were it necessary. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/19/dreamliner_allegations/

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/boeing-787-dreamliner-composite-airframe-may-be-unsafe/
 
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The Dude said:
Working class from uk are as dumb as ours!
Now considering bp I'm not surprised you don't understand engineering.
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Yes well, knowledge of engineering is very important when you are counting beans!! Maybe you want to buy one? What with all that money you've made, $193.5 million is just chump change for a bigshot like you!!
 
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The Dude said:
Air bus is France
Rolls is not an aircraft
Get a dentist too
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1) Airbus is a consortium, all wings are made in the UK.

2) Trying flying a plane without engines!!

3) Get a new joke, you've been using that for four years now.

4) Transocean has just been fined $1.4 billion, suck that up. Chevron will be next in Nigeria and Ecuador.
 
The Dude said:
Like I thought, dumbass England doesn't even have an airline manufacturer!
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All Airbus engine pylons, fuel systems and landing gear are made in the UK as well.

Agusta Westland manufacture helicopters

Martin Baker, the inventor of the ejection seat, who have made over 70,000 ejection seats delivered to 93 Air Forces around the world and have saved over 7,000 aircrew lives.

BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company headquartered in London, United Kingdom and with operations worldwide. It is among the world's largest defence contractors; it ranked as the third-largest based on applicable 2011 revenues.[SUP][3][/SUP] Its largest operations are in the United Kingdom and United States, where its BAE Systems Inc. subsidiary is one of the six largest suppliers to the US Department of Defense.
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
All Airbus engine pylons, fuel systems and landing gear are made in the UK as well.

Agusta Westland manufacture helicopters

Martin Baker, the inventor of the ejection seat, who have made over 70,000 ejection seats delivered to 93 Air Forces around the world and have saved over 7,000 aircrew lives.

BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company headquartered in London, United Kingdom and with operations worldwide. It is among the world's largest defence contractors; it ranked as the third-largest based on applicable 2011 revenues.[SUP][3][/SUP] Its largest operations are in the United Kingdom and United States, where its BAE Systems Inc. subsidiary is one of the six largest suppliers to the US Department of Defense.
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I'm sure they make some toilet parts too!
 
Shy Guy said:
No, it's not. The reason Enron failed was because of deregulation - rather, corruption and a failure to regulate.





Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,192920,00.html#ixzz2HlpAfGv1
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So you don't know what really happened? Not surprising.

Regulations failed to stop Enron and liberals call for more.......wait for it.........you got it.......REGULATIONS

How brilliant. Come back to me when you are a little more informed on the topic beyond the typical libtardiot "It's Bush's fault"
 
Obama Hates America said:
Enron is a great example. 'twas the market that caused Enrons doom not any of the regulatory agencies designed to stop them from doing what they did
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May I suggest a new name for you. Not much work involved. Just add ...'ns like me'. I think that would be a little closer the truth which speaks to you in a foreign language. I have actually met yanks like you, all graduates of the 'I don't need to learn or understand anything School.'
 
Obama Hates America said:
So you don't know what really happened? Not surprising.

Regulations failed to stop Enron and liberals call for more.......wait for it.........you got it.......REGULATIONS

How brilliant. Come back to me when you are a little more informed on the topic beyond the typical libtardiot "It's Bush's fault"
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I didn't say that, now did I? What I told you was that Enron had a lot of influence over pollitics during their day.

Regulations didn't fail becaue they do so inherently, they failed because Enron exercised control over processes designed to protect the public. So, if you want to use this one case of poor governance as an excuse to deregulate entirely, go ahead. Just excuse me if I stay in reality.
 
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