Dr. Gupta, I Presume!

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Word that President-elect Obama would nominate CNN chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta to the post of Surgeon General was greeted with a mixture of snickers and contempt from Conservatives circles across the blogosphere and social networking sites Tuesday.

One of the more cynical responses commonly bandied about was, “What’s the problem? Was Dr. Phil unavailable?”

While on the face of it, the choice of Gupta may appear comical, on closer inspection, it may be yet another case of Obama and his team being uncannily spot on.

Associate chief of neurosurgery at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, an assistant professor at Emory University School of Medicine, chief medical correspondent for CNN and a former White House Fellow and adviser to Hillary Clinton, Gupta is at ease from the operating room to the classroom and committee room.

In addition to writing a column for Time and hosting “House Call with Dr. Sanjay Gupta”, the Indo-American graduate of the University of Michigan Medical Center is also a best-selling author.

Embedded with a Navy medical unit during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the accomplished neurosurgeon operated on both Iraqi civilians and American service personnel. One would think at the very least this would give Gupta's Conservative detractors pause, if not reason enough for their grudging respect.

Gupta’s selection by Obama signals that despite the dire economic and fiscal challenges facing the incoming administration, public health policy still remains a priority – even more so because of the impact on insurance coverage and public health services that are a byproduct of the current crisis.

While some may scoff and bandy about stereotypical humor at the thought of an Indo-American serving as the nation’s most prominent voice on health issues and policy, it acknowledges a reality found in hospitals and clinics from Manhattan and Los Angeles to Logan, West Virginia – minority and expatriate physicians and surgeons are now commonplace in America’s operating rooms and doctor’s office.

From a political perspective, Gupta selection makes sense for a number of reasons. Among them are:

- He share an appreciation for the possibilities offered by new media outlets and communications technologies with the President-elect and his team of advisors. Look for Gupta to spearhead a drive to incorporate them into the dialogue between the administration and the public on health policy and programs.

- Gupta’s already prominent personal recognition and public familiarity along with his media savvy and journalistic experience will garner greater coverage of his work than an equally qualified but lesser known physician would receive. Given the appropriate latitude and independence, he could truly elevate the role of the Surgeon General beyond merely towing the administration line into being a driving force and moral authority for public health policy.

- In addition to reaching out to minorities in general with Gupta's appointment, it also opens up a direct line to the Indo-American community. This has the potential to reap both domestic and international benefits for Obama.

From a domestic perspective, Gupta's appointment is recognition of the growing influence and power of the Indo-American community in an increasingly culturally diverse America. Along with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Gupta is leading the Indo-American community out of the Squishy-Marts of "The Simpsons" into the mainstream of American society and politics. Accordingly, Obama can expect to receive significant financial support and political goodwill from the Indo-American community in the future.

In the international sphere, Gupta's appointment will reinforce a burgeoning alliance between the world's oldest democracy, America, and it's largest one, India.

From a geopolitical perspective, India is potentially one of America's most critical allies in the 21st Century. Despite longstanding tensions with erstwhile American ally Pakistan, India serves as a natural counterbalance to a rising China, both regionally and on the world stage.

Should America's influence wane and she find herself unable to lead the ranks of free nations in the future, cultivating an alliance with India now may provide her with a trusted ally to pass the torch to somewhere down the road much like Great Britain found in the United States when it experienced a similar fate.

While some may have initially laughed at word of Gupta’s impending nomination, in the end it is in fact another example of the Obama team’s ability to find diamonds and success in the heretofore unexplored rough.

The Doctor is in, indeed, faithful readers.

Stay tuned for further updates as events warrant and health policy moves from being a filler to a leader on the evening news.
 
At first blush I too scoffed. Then the obvious benifits started to come to mind. The man is a gifted Dr from all reports and can be a trusted face and voice for the path we are going to take to change how the US does medicine.
 
He'll probably be able to better express what Clinton's Surgeon General tried to express when she said we should teach children to masturbate...
 
He'll probably be able to better express what Clinton's Surgeon General tried to express when she said we should teach children to masturbate...

What are you, nostalgic lately? All we hear out of you is Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

Did the Surgeon General say we should teach children to masturbate, or is this your spin on it? I vaguely remember a bunch of cons being up in arms because someone was getting off again, but I can't recall the details.
 
What are you, nostalgic lately? All we hear out of you is Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

Did the Surgeon General say we should teach children to masturbate, or is this your spin on it? I vaguely remember a bunch of cons being up in arms because someone was getting off again, but I can't recall the details.

It was Jocelyn Evers, and that is not what she said. The press were really baiting her during a couple of interviews during that time, and when the topic went to sex education in schools, it somehow led to masturbation. She said that it wouldn't hurt and probably would be healthy to teach children about the topic of masturbation, not to teach them to masturbate. I think that it was the press' fervor for something juicy, perhaps something to use to discredit her, and not what she said.

In another interview someone asked her if she was in favor of legalizing recreational drugs. She denied that, then the reporter asked if she thought that drug legalization would reduce crime. She replied that with respect to those offences that were drug-defined than yes, it would reduce the crime rate. The ensuing perversion of that remark was a widespread rumor that she had come out in favor of legalizing recreational drugs because it would reduce crime.

Perhaps she was not the best candidate for surgeon general, but she didn't deserve what the press did to her.
 
It was Jocelyn Evers, and that is not what she said. The press were really baiting her during a couple of interviews during that time, and when the topic went to sex education in schools, it somehow led to masturbation. She said that it wouldn't hurt and probably would be healthy to teach children about the topic of masturbation, not to teach them to masturbate. I think that it was the press' fervor for something juicy, perhaps something to use to discredit her, and not what she said.

In another interview someone asked her if she was in favor of legalizing recreational drugs. She denied that, then the reporter asked if she thought that drug legalization would reduce crime. She replied that with respect to those offences that were drug-defined than yes, it would reduce the crime rate. The ensuing perversion of that remark was a widespread rumor that she had come out in favor of legalizing recreational drugs because it would reduce crime.

Perhaps she was not the best candidate for surgeon general, but she didn't deserve what the press did to her.


Oh, so Damo was putting a twist on it, I am shocked. When I asked I thought for sure he must be quoting her exactly, but of his track record. lol
 
Oh, so Damo was putting a twist on it, I am shocked. When I asked I thought for sure he must be quoting her exactly, but of his track record. lol

To be fair, I lived in DC at that time and was working at NIH, so I paid fairly close attention to this case. She seemed like a nice lady and probably was a competent physician.
 
To be fair, I lived in DC at that time and was working at NIH, so I paid fairly close attention to this case. She seemed like a nice lady and probably was a competent physician.

I remember her now - your description of what happened to her on the legalization matter reminded me.
 
What are you, nostalgic lately? All we hear out of you is Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

Did the Surgeon General say we should teach children to masturbate, or is this your spin on it? I vaguely remember a bunch of cons being up in arms because someone was getting off again, but I can't recall the details.
Nah, we haven't heard anything from Bush's Surgeon General, whoever that person happens to be. However, Jocelyn Elders made the news. This guy is a known quantity that can speak well publicly.

Basically, what I was trying to say is it really doesn't matter. The dude is qualified for the position of educating people on health issues, it was his job to educate doctors.

I can't see why this guy would be getting news as a "shocking" pick.
 
Nah, we haven't heard anything from Bush's Surgeon General, whoever that person happens to be. However, Jocelyn Elders made the news. This guy is a known quantity that can speak well publicly.

Basically, what I was trying to say is it really doesn't matter. The dude is qualified for the position of educating people on health issues, it was his job to educate doctors.

I can't see why this guy would be getting news as a "shocking" pick.

Right, Elders, not "Evers". Thanks for the correction.

Gupta seems to be a lot more qualified than I'd realized. I just haven't thought much of his writings on CNN and was ready to dismiss him from mind until I read more about him.
 
To be fair, I lived in DC at that time and was working at NIH, so I paid fairly close attention to this case. She seemed like a nice lady and probably was a competent physician.
I agree. I think she was simply not that powerful of a speaker and was taken advantage of because of it.
 
Nah, we haven't heard anything from Bush's Surgeon General, whoever that person happens to be. However, Jocelyn Elders made the news. This guy is a known quantity that can speak well publicly.

Basically, what I was trying to say is it really doesn't matter. The dude is qualified for the position of educating people on health issues, it was his job to educate doctors.

I can't see why this guy would be getting news as a "shocking" pick.

I agree 'Gupta' is well qualified...unlike the Clinton pick of that nutcase ,J.Elders! She was firing on 2 cylinders short of a sixpack!
 
I think she was qualified too, she just had a hard time speaking publicly.

I disagree...I place her in the same category as Madeline Halfbright...Good Lord man the lib's had a field day attacking the likes of Condi Rice and Sarah Palin...both of whom are intelligent and gifted orators as well as being experienced...Bills choices were both nutcases!
 
I disagree...I place her in the same category as Madeline Halfbright...Good Lord man the lib's had a field day attacking the likes of Condi Rice and Sarah Palin...both of whom are intelligent and gifted orators as well as being experienced...Bills choices were both nutcases!

Being able to make a speech does not reflect intelligence.

I think Dr. Elders, as a professor of pediatric endocrinology pretty well smokes Sarah Palin in the area of intellect and in academic success.

I have been doing a little reading about Jocelyn Elders.

"In 1987, Governor Bill Clinton appointed Elders as Director of the Arkansas Department of Health. Her accomplishments in this position included a tenfold increase in the number of early childhood screenings annually and almost a doubling of the immunization rate for two-year-olds in Arkansas. In 1992, she was elected President of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders


" Living in a poor, segregated pocket of the country, she and her siblings struck a balance between laboring in the cotton fields and attending an all-black school 13 miles from home. One of her earliest childhood memories was being taught to read by her mother, Haller, who had an eighth grade education which was quite remarkable for an African American woman at that time. By the time she neared graduation from high school, Elders earned a scholarship to the all-black, liberal arts Philander Smith College in Little Rock, the state's capital. Initially, higher education looked doubtful for Elders as her father did not want to let her go. He felt that her contribution to the family was much more important. He did not see the long-term value of education. With all her pleading, Haller Jones could not get her husband to budge. Elders had resigned herself to staying home and continuing to pick cotton. She hadn't counted on her paternal grandmother, for whom she was named, to come to her aid, but whatever grandma Minnie said, she was allowed to go to college in September. Her family picked extra cotton to earn the $3.43 for her bus fare. She was the first in her family to take the road to higher education."

http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders




"Elders glimpsed one of the approaches she would champion in office when she visited the state's first school-based health clinic in the Ozark mountain community of Lincoln, where contraceptives were given to students on request and where senior class pregnancies had subsequently fallen from 13 to one. Under Elders, 18 other school clinics opened, though only four of them were authorized by their local boards of education to distribute condoms. As Elders campaigned for the clinics and expanded sex education throughout the state, she became engaged in a heated battle with both political conservatives - who criticized her effort to increase the government's role in the lives of U.S. citizens, particularly in an area as private as sexual behavior - and members of some religious groups - who feared that the distribution of condoms would increase sexual activity, and who rejected the introduction of sex education in schools as a means of institutionally sanctioning abortion.

Elders, who is pro-choice but admits she personally opposes abortion, retaliated with both sober and emotional arguments. She said she would gladly teach abstinence if she felt that approach would work. But in the real world, she maintained, kids will continue to have sex, and it is the job of adults - and the U.S. government - to turn an irresponsible action into a responsible one. She said she considered every abortion her own personal failure, and her role, simply put, was to prevent unwanted pregnancy from ever occurring. She accused anti-abortion activists of having a love affair with the fetus, and pointed out in the Washington Post that not even abortion foes want to support "any [social] programs that will make [these unwanted children] into productive citizens."

In 1989, in great measure because of Elder's lobbying, the Arkansas State Legislature mandated a kindergarten-through-twelfth-grade course curriculum encompassing not only sex education, but instruction in hygiene, substance-abuse prevention, self-esteem, and the proposition, often overlooked, that sexual responsibility does not belong exclusively to the female. Between 1987 and 1990 though the rate of teenage pregnancy in Arkansas was up, the national rate was considerably higher."


http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders



Astounding to imagine:

"After an internship in pediatrics at the University of Minnesota, Jocelyn Elders returned to Little Rock in 1961 for her residency and was quickly appointed chief pediatric resident, in charge of the all-white and all-male battery of residents and interns."

http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders






The woman went from a poor family picking cotton to survive to one of the most respected members of a very elite medical field. She didn't get where she is because of women's libbers. She got where she is because of her abilities and her refusal to quit.

Those are traits I find very admirable.
 
Being able to make a speech does not reflect intelligence.

I think Dr. Elders, as a professor of pediatric endocrinology pretty well smokes Sarah Palin in the area of intellect and in academic success.

I have been doing a little reading about Jocelyn Elders.

"In 1987, Governor Bill Clinton appointed Elders as Director of the Arkansas Department of Health. Her accomplishments in this position included a tenfold increase in the number of early childhood screenings annually and almost a doubling of the immunization rate for two-year-olds in Arkansas. In 1992, she was elected President of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders


" Living in a poor, segregated pocket of the country, she and her siblings struck a balance between laboring in the cotton fields and attending an all-black school 13 miles from home. One of her earliest childhood memories was being taught to read by her mother, Haller, who had an eighth grade education which was quite remarkable for an African American woman at that time. By the time she neared graduation from high school, Elders earned a scholarship to the all-black, liberal arts Philander Smith College in Little Rock, the state's capital. Initially, higher education looked doubtful for Elders as her father did not want to let her go. He felt that her contribution to the family was much more important. He did not see the long-term value of education. With all her pleading, Haller Jones could not get her husband to budge. Elders had resigned herself to staying home and continuing to pick cotton. She hadn't counted on her paternal grandmother, for whom she was named, to come to her aid, but whatever grandma Minnie said, she was allowed to go to college in September. Her family picked extra cotton to earn the $3.43 for her bus fare. She was the first in her family to take the road to higher education."

http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders




"Elders glimpsed one of the approaches she would champion in office when she visited the state's first school-based health clinic in the Ozark mountain community of Lincoln, where contraceptives were given to students on request and where senior class pregnancies had subsequently fallen from 13 to one. Under Elders, 18 other school clinics opened, though only four of them were authorized by their local boards of education to distribute condoms. As Elders campaigned for the clinics and expanded sex education throughout the state, she became engaged in a heated battle with both political conservatives - who criticized her effort to increase the government's role in the lives of U.S. citizens, particularly in an area as private as sexual behavior - and members of some religious groups - who feared that the distribution of condoms would increase sexual activity, and who rejected the introduction of sex education in schools as a means of institutionally sanctioning abortion.

Elders, who is pro-choice but admits she personally opposes abortion, retaliated with both sober and emotional arguments. She said she would gladly teach abstinence if she felt that approach would work. But in the real world, she maintained, kids will continue to have sex, and it is the job of adults - and the U.S. government - to turn an irresponsible action into a responsible one. She said she considered every abortion her own personal failure, and her role, simply put, was to prevent unwanted pregnancy from ever occurring. She accused anti-abortion activists of having a love affair with the fetus, and pointed out in the Washington Post that not even abortion foes want to support "any [social] programs that will make [these unwanted children] into productive citizens."

In 1989, in great measure because of Elder's lobbying, the Arkansas State Legislature mandated a kindergarten-through-twelfth-grade course curriculum encompassing not only sex education, but instruction in hygiene, substance-abuse prevention, self-esteem, and the proposition, often overlooked, that sexual responsibility does not belong exclusively to the female. Between 1987 and 1990 though the rate of teenage pregnancy in Arkansas was up, the national rate was considerably higher."


http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders



Astounding to imagine:

"After an internship in pediatrics at the University of Minnesota, Jocelyn Elders returned to Little Rock in 1961 for her residency and was quickly appointed chief pediatric resident, in charge of the all-white and all-male battery of residents and interns."

http://www.answers.com/topic/joycelyn-elders






The woman went from a poor family picking cotton to survive to one of the most respected members of a very elite medical field. She didn't get where she is because of women's libbers. She got where she is because of her abilities and her refusal to quit.

Those are traits I find very admirable.


Whatever dude...your reverse discrimination is showing...Elders and Allbright were duds...Rice and Palin stars...give it a rest, being a hack is so boring!
Like I said 'Gupta' was a good choice albeit I don't support Obama...try using reality rather than party to make decisions!...just saying!:rolleyes:
 
Whatever dude...your reverse discrimination is showing...Elders and Allbright were duds...Rice and Palin stars...give it a rest, being a hack is so boring!
Like I said 'Gupta' was a good choice albeit I don't support Obama...try using reality rather than party to make decisions!...just saying!:rolleyes:

Reverse discrimination?? WTF? I am showing due admiration for someone's accomplishment. And if you think that coming from picking cotton in Arkansas before desegregation and going on to be a well known pediatric endocrinologist is the same as going to 4 different colleges to get a BS in communications, you are sadly mistaken.

I have not said a thing bad about Condie Rice. She is an accomplished academic with plenty of intellect.





You are lumping Condie Rice and Sarah Palin in the same category.

Lets look at the records for the two.

Dr. Rice

"Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. "

"In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html




Sarah Palin

"Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.[9] She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school, a member of the girls' cross country team, and the captain and point guard of the school's girls' basketball team that won the Alaska state championship in 1982.[8][10]

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983. In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[11][12] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[13][14] at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.[8]

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education. After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987."


Even adding in her being elected Gov, Palin is not in the same league as either Dr. Rice or Dr. Elder.






But your resounding "they are bad because I say they are, and I have no facts to back that up" is pretty sad.

I posted facts about these people. You just said what you thought. So who would be the hack in this conversation?
 
Reverse discrimination?? WTF? I am showing due admiration for someone's accomplishment. And if you think that coming from picking cotton in Arkansas before desegregation and going on to be a well known pediatric endocrinologist is the same as going to 4 different colleges to get a BS in communications, you are sadly mistaken.

I have not said a thing bad about Condie Rice. She is an accomplished academic with plenty of intellect.





You are lumping Condie Rice and Sarah Palin in the same category.

Lets look at the records for the two.

Dr. Rice

"Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. "

"In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html




Sarah Palin

"Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.[9] She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school, a member of the girls' cross country team, and the captain and point guard of the school's girls' basketball team that won the Alaska state championship in 1982.[8][10]

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983. In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[11][12] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[13][14] at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.[8]

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education. After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987."


Even adding in her being elected Gov, Palin is not in the same league as either Dr. Rice or Dr. Elder.






But your resounding "they are bad because I say they are, and I have no facts to back that up" is pretty sad.

I posted facts about these people. You just said what you thought. So who would be the hack in this conversation?


Kiss my grits Bubba...I went to 4 colleges before the degree...it was called working ones way thru...albeit I did sports and had a IQ of 137...my parents were old timers and told us kids to work hard for what we want...I believe Sarah falls in the same category...! Quit apologizing for affirmative action already...so demeaning!
 
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