"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

SmarterthanYou said:
the biggest issue needing to be pointed out is that a college degree does not make one 'smart', as evidenced by your dipshit mentality when it comes to just about anything ever discussed on this board. college certainly doesn't teach critical thinking skills because you've repeatedly shown that you have none.
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You bring up an interesting point with the critical thinking. In theory that's what college should be about. You're put into this new world where you are exposed to new people and new ideas and you are challenged both socially and intellectually and that's where growth occurs.

But what we have today is not that. For starters, how do critical thinking and safe spaces co-exist? A big part of critical thinking is having your current ideas/beliefs challenged. In today's environment where it's about making sure no person in the classroom feels uncomfortable you can't really do that. You hear professors who speak about changing how they teach because of this.

It's unfortunate and it retards growth but it's a reality on campuses across the country.
 
cawacko said:
You bring up an interesting point with the critical thinking. In theory that's what college should be about. You're put into this new world where you are exposed to new people and new ideas and you are challenged both socially and intellectually and that's where growth occurs.

But what we have today is not that. For starters, how do critical thinking and safe spaces co-exist? A big part of critical thinking is having your current ideas/beliefs challenged. In today's environment where it's about making sure no person in the classroom feels uncomfortable you can't really do that. You hear professors who speak about changing how they teach because of this.

It's unfortunate and it retards growth but it's a reality on campuses across the country.
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I suspect it is a very minor part of university life. Mostly you FOX morons whining about nothing.
 
cawacko said:
You bring up an interesting point with the critical thinking. In theory that's what college should be about. You're put into this new world where you are exposed to new people and new ideas and you are challenged both socially and intellectually and that's where growth occurs.

But what we have today is not that. For starters, how do critical thinking and safe spaces co-exist? A big part of critical thinking is having your current ideas/beliefs challenged. In today's environment where it's about making sure no person in the classroom feels uncomfortable you can't really do that. You hear professors who speak about changing how they teach because of this.

It's unfortunate and it retards growth but it's a reality on campuses across the country.
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the WOKE revolution does not want critical thinking. they want good soldiers who follow orders and parrot talking points, ignoring reality altogether. It's why most of the leftists here are on auto pilot with what's coming out of the DNC
 
LV426 said:
Vo-tech is the third highest regretful "degree", only a couple points behind humanities and social sciences.

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Pretty much a statistical dead heat with teaching.
 
anonymoose said:
Oh, I thought the point of the OP was that Humanities and Arts, and Social and Behavior Sciences were worse than vo-tech school. Whew! Glad I didn’t do those three worst.
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Statistically, they're all about the same and within the margin of polling error.
 
Cypress said:
The posters who holler that a college degree is either worthless or highly overrated generally never graduated college themselves, and have no idea what the college experience is.

Plumbing, welding, vocational nursing are honorable work.

But the MAGA claim that all humanities majors are working at Starbucks seems to be based on what they heard rightwing media personalities state.
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Humanities and social sciences are honorable work too, just as much as plumbing and welding...maybe even moreso because you have to help people and understand them.

And they may deride those people like that, but who is it who is always flipping out at baristas? The same people who deride them.
 
cawacko said:
I almost fell out my chair when a black high school teacher of mine (he teaches African American history) posted a meme on Facebook that said:

"Please young men learn: Plumbing, Carpentry, Electrical Roofing, Drywall/Painting. It's so much money in these fields!!!!"


This teacher is a progressive dude and my initial thought was a recommendation like this goes against everything progressives stand for today (i.e. - college or bust). But then I realized he's lives in the real world and a fair number of kids at my school coming from working class/lower class backgrounds. Most at my high school do go to college but not everyone is going to be a doctor, lawyer or work in the tech world and the meme is right, the jobs listed can pay well.

It's interesting this ideological shift that has occurred. The 70's were obviously a different time for many reasons and a number of jobs that existed then don't exist today. But it's interesting to read about the Democrats at the time who were really pro trade school because many of their voters were working class. Clearly a lot has changed.
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The average wage of a plumber is just ~$48K.

The average wage of a carpenter is ~$41K.

The average wage of an electrician is ~$50K.

The average wage of a roofer is just ~$44K.

None of those wages surpass the average wage in this country ($56K).

Whoever is saying there's "so much money" in those fields is lying because they don't want educated people who will question their exploitation; they want obedient workers who can do a task and not gripe about being exploited, or take action to form a union to collectively bargain for better wages and benefits, of which they have a Constitutional right to organize.
 
cawacko said:
A big part of critical thinking is having your current ideas/beliefs challenged. In today's environment where it's about making sure no person in the classroom feels uncomfortable you can't really do that.
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Again, what the fuck would you know about it, having not sat in a class in a college in nearly a half century?
 
cawacko said:
You hear professors who speak about changing how they teach because of this. .
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Anecdotes are garbage that are filtered through a prism of bias and are unreliable forms of evidence in a debate.

You and Flash do the same fucking thing...you lean on unverifiable anecdotes and rumors instead of facts and evidence. That's why virtually nothing you write on JPP is sourced.
 
LV426 said:
"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

Vo-tech is the third highest regretful "degree", only a couple points behind humanities and social sciences.
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Of course it is, if you're a lying, low IQ, leftist partisan hack on steroids trying to defend the indefensible of this massively failed Presidency.

I am perplexed by the notion that everyone should go to college even if it is a worthless degree no one will hire except perhaps in government.

But hey, why have Vocational training when Democrats are just going to ship all those jobs to China right? You truly are the dumbest hack I have ever seen on the internet. :laugh:
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the WOKE revolution does not want critical thinking. they want good soldiers who follow orders and parrot talking points, ignoring reality altogether. It's why most of the leftists here are on auto pilot with what's coming out of the DNC
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You are the perfect example of Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

You have done absolutely nothing to earn the entitlement you think you have.
 
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