Don't be fooled

[WinterBorn]

Approximately one in three American youngsters are obese.; They will consume greater resources than those who are not, in terms of medication, hospital costs, work related illnesses, etc. This means that statistically an obese child is likely to grow to adulthood and be less of an advantage to society than a non obese child. That means that an employer who will be obliged to pay him according to societies requirements will lose production and therefore money. The worker (still obese) will earn less, pay less in taxation and be a burden, to a greater or lesser extent, upon the society of which you are part.
Will you still say that a parent has the right to put YOU at a disadvantage because he or she refuses to govern the diet and general well being of his child?
Don’t you think you should have a say? Well, actually no, but your government as the guardian of society and the provider of resources (that you pay for) has every right to be concerned. After all, you vote them in, they work for you.

And the obese die much younger, so they will not cost as much in social security as healthy slim people.

What it boils down to is you are asking me if I am willing to sacrifice freedom for lower taxes. The answer is a resounding "Hell No!".

 

[christiefan915]

I know...even I'm getting tired of the label....but it just fits so damn well in describing most of you....

Pinhead; A very dull or stupid person according to the Merriam Webster Online Dictionary (see my point?)

“If you wish to know the mind of a man, listen to his words.”

“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people”

 

[apple0154]

The entire premise of this ruling is that the gov't must take over raising the child for the child's own good.

The reality is more and more children are left alone to fend for themselves. At one time mothers would stay home and often a grandparent lived with them.

We have to change with the times. Childrearing has changed.

An analogy might be old age pensions. There was a time when the elderly lived with their children and grandchildren. As more and more elderly were abandoned the government stepped in and provided the necessary resources.

Countries have started child care facilities because so many parents are working.

If the food they are serving is nutritious it doesn't make any sense to complain. If the parent wants the child to eat a certain type of food they have breakfast and dinner to decide.

Having worked in a school I've seen how some children are neglected. Some didn't even have any breakfast before coming to school. If all one has to complain about is the government providing a nutritious lunch it's a sad commentary on today's parents.

 

[apple0154]

The point is not about tax funded school lunches being made up of a balanced diet- IT'S ABOUT A SCHOOL PLAYING NAZI over what a parent decides to send for lunch. Trust me when I tell you that it is the poor fat kids or poor skinny rotten toothed ones who eat the school's FREE tasteless usually gross lunch- Kids who bring a lunch tend to have a better more balanced and definitely edible diet!

Then the parents need to address what is served for lunches if they're as bad as you claim.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The reality is more and more children are left alone to fend for themselves. At one time mothers would stay home and often a grandparent lived with them.

We have to change with the times. Childrearing has changed.

An analogy might be old age pensions. There was a time when the elderly lived with their children and grandchildren. As more and more elderly were abandoned the government stepped in and provided the necessary resources.

Countries have started child care facilities because so many parents are working.

If the food they are serving is nutritious it doesn't make any sense to complain. If the parent wants the child to eat a certain type of food they have breakfast and dinner to decide.

Having worked in a school I've seen how some children are neglected. Some didn't even have any breakfast before coming to school. If all one has to complain about is the government providing a nutritious lunch it's a sad commentary on today's parents.

this is the perfect argument for home schooling.

 

[Lowaicue]

And the obese die much younger, so they will not cost as much in social security as healthy slim people.

What it boils down to is you are asking me if I am willing to sacrifice freedom for lower taxes. The answer is a resounding "Hell No!".

I Just wonder what freedom you refer to. Time you learned that freedom is as much a myth in the US as it is in China. You have been and are being duped every minute of every day. There are many similarities between the UK and the US but I doubt that any but the least well educated would be as gullible as the majority of Americans.
Repeating this is as tiresome for me as it is for you but we lead a much freer life than you do. I know that goes against everything you have been taught but it is true.

 

[leaningright]

I Just wonder what freedom you refer to. Time you learned that freedom is as much a myth in the US as it is in China. You have been and are being duped every minute of every day. There are many similarities between the UK and the US but I doubt that any but the least well educated would be as gullible as the majority of Americans.
Repeating this is as tiresome for me as it is for you but we lead a much freer life than you do. I know that goes against everything you have been taught but it is true.

Who is the "we" here. Just trying to pinpoint whether you are referring to the UK or Hong Kong...(I think that's where you are but am not sure).

 

[Canceled2]

Then the parents need to address what is served for lunches if they're as bad as you claim.

They do apple.

 

[Canceled2]

So you believe in putting your own comfort and well being above that of your country.

Hands up anyone who is surprised.

Right old man cuz everyone thinks that's what I was saying---DOH!

 

[Lowaicue]

Who is the "we" here. Just trying to pinpoint whether you are referring to the UK or Hong Kong...(I think that's where you are but am not sure).

HK

 

[apple0154]

They do apple.

It's good to see the parents involved.

 

[NOVA]

This op was made in semi-jest.....never expected to get 10 replies, let alone 130......

I sure hope a lot of folks get to see and read this thread.....the left wing pinheads couldn't have made bigger assholes of themselves if they got paid for it....
Its astounding....if would bet that if a pinhead like Apple would have made that first post and come out against the school or I would have come out defending the school ...all the posts would
have turned 180 degrees.....thats the kind of pinheads we have to contend with here.....its fun, but its fuckin' sad at the same time.....and this thread is just great in exposing lefties for the asses they are....

 

[Topspin]

when a dumbass riechwinger who could only get in the navy attemps to do what you did it's too easy to mock you so we do.

 

[christiefan915]

This op was made in semi-jest.....never expected to get 10 replies, let alone 130......

I sure hope a lot of folks get to see and read this thread.....the left wing pinheads couldn't have made bigger assholes of themselves if they got paid for it....
Its astounding....if would bet that if a pinhead like Apple would have made that first post and come out against the school or I would have come out defending the school ...all the posts would
have turned 180 degrees.....thats the kind of pinheads we have to contend with here.....its fun, but its fuckin' sad at the same time.....and this thread is just great in exposing lefties for the asses they are....

“If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”
~Elbert Hubbard

 

[Lowaicue]

it's called the darwin principle. it's a parents job to teach their kids to live right. If they fail, their kids fail. It's NOT the job of the state to raise kids or teach them right. That's why our nation was founded, to keep government OUT of our lives.

Most politicians are smarter than most people. This hAs to be because you cant have a situation where people are so dumb they elect dumber representatives. Right? So when you refuse the advice of the people you have chosen to advise you then you are admitting to a dumbness that logic says cannot exist. Many parents - not necessarily most - but many parents are neither mentally or educationally fit to be parents. Their children as well as your own are your country's tomorrow. Is that what you really want? Is that what 'freedom' is about? Freedom to have your population forever dumbed down? It's happening now. You have huge numbers of kids who cannot write a letter, huge numbers of kids for whom maths might be a foreign language.
Just allow those people YOU have helped educate to return the favour by helping you. You cannot be an expert in everything.
Surely you can see the sense in that.
The freedom you think you have is a myth. Why do you fight for something that does not exist yet refuse to fight for the health of your chldren?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Most politicians are smarter than most people. This hAs to be because you cant have a situation where people are so dumb they elect dumber representatives. Right? So when you refuse the advice of the people you have chosen to advise you then you are admitting to a dumbness that logic says cannot exist.

our government isn't set up so that the dumb citizens can elect the smartest people to tell us what is good for us. WE THE PEOPLE elect representatives to office to do OUR will, not theirs.

Many parents - not necessarily most - but many parents are neither mentally or educationally fit to be parents. Their children as well as your own are your country's tomorrow. Is that what you really want? Is that what 'freedom' is about? Freedom to have your population forever dumbed down? It's happening now. You have huge numbers of kids who cannot write a letter, huge numbers of kids for whom maths might be a foreign language.

It is the inalienable right of all people to procreate, as much as some people probably shouldn't. And the countries tomorrow is being dumbed down on purpose through the public education system, so why shouldn't we fix that be getting rid of it?

 

[Lowaicue]

our government isn't set up so that the dumb citizens can elect the smartest people to tell us what is good for us. WE THE PEOPLE elect representatives to office to do OUR will, not theirs.


It is the inalienable right of all people to procreate, as much as some people probably shouldn't. And the countries tomorrow is being dumbed down on purpose through the public education system, so why shouldn't we fix that be getting rid of it?

You havent really understood what I said. Your ‘We the people’ tend to be quite dumb! They must be by the law of averages. You vote, or you should vote, for the politicians who agree with your philosophy and who will represent you to the best of their ability. Ipso facto you elect people who have an above average ability.
Your education system has been under criticism for ever, it seems to me. One thing is 99.999% certain though, and that is that those who have made it their business to study it and have experience beyond simply passing a degree or two are better placed to redesign it than you are. If you disagree with that your freedoms allow you to stand for election.

 

[Damocles]

Most politicians are smarter than most people. This hAs to be because you cant have a situation where people are so dumb they elect dumber representatives. Right? So when you refuse the advice of the people you have chosen to advise you then you are admitting to a dumbness that logic says cannot exist. Many parents - not necessarily most - but many parents are neither mentally or educationally fit to be parents. Their children as well as your own are your country's tomorrow. Is that what you really want? Is that what 'freedom' is about? Freedom to have your population forever dumbed down? It's happening now. You have huge numbers of kids who cannot write a letter, huge numbers of kids for whom maths might be a foreign language.
Just allow those people YOU have helped educate to return the favour by helping you. You cannot be an expert in everything.
Surely you can see the sense in that.
The freedom you think you have is a myth. Why do you fight for something that does not exist yet refuse to fight for the health of your chldren?

You really want the government to issue some sort of proclamation and limit every decision of every parent in everything because "many" are, according to you, incapable of being good parents? Geebus. I can't believe how much people are willing to give up to a government. It's absolutely astounding to me.

What do you propose? Licensing?

 

[Lowaicue]

You really want the government to issue some sort of proclamation and limit every decision of every parent in everything because "many" are, according to you, incapable of being good parents? Geebus. I can't believe how much people are willing to give up to a government. It's absolutely astounding to me.

What do you propose? Licensing?

Government is OF the people, by the people and FOR the people. That means that it is there to help and advise those who need help and advice. A single parent, for example, who is holding down two jobs and who doesn’t have time to prepare healthy meals can be assisted by schools who DO have the wherewithal. Now if they refuse (and why should they?) the ‘government, as the guardian of the nation’s future should be able to step in. Why on earth not?
Y’know you guys have been so brain-washed for so long about being American and being ‘free’ that you have become divorced from reality. You are obsessed with government yet shout for them to supply the infrastructure for your survival. Well, it will not be long before YOUR survival might depend on todays youngsters. Do you really want a generation of physical and mental failures to hold your life in the balance? I know that is an exaggeration but we use hyperbole to stress important points, don’t we?

 

[Damocles]

Government is OF the people, by the people and FOR the people. That means that it is there to help and advise those who need help and advice. A single parent, for example, who is holding down two jobs and who doesn’t have time to prepare healthy meals can be assisted by schools who DO have the wherewithal. Now if they refuse (and why should they?) the ‘government, as the guardian of the nation’s future should be able to step in. Why on earth not?
Y’know you guys have been so brain-washed for so long about being American and being ‘free’ that you have become divorced from reality. You are obsessed with government yet shout for them to supply the infrastructure for your survival. Well, it will not be long before YOUR survival might depend on todays youngsters. Do you really want a generation of physical and mental failures to hold your life in the balance? I know that is an exaggeration but we use hyperbole to stress important points, don’t we?

Divorced from reality? There is a fundamental divide in where we think the government should go and what role it should play in our lives. I don't even know how to describe to you how very wrong this whole idea is... I will thank the gods every day that the government has no right to do this kind of thing here without evidence of real cause. This is the ultimate in "tyranny of the majority" and is repugnant.

Where would you draw the line? Do you think the government in Saudi Arabia has a right to take kids away from parents and raise them as the majority believes?

Man, this is probably the most totalitarian policy I have ever heard supported here, it's like listening to Chaim Rumkowski give the "Give me your children!" speech. It's almost obscene how much people trust the benevolence and believe in the perfection of government.