Donald Trump and due process: Public thread

Then it must be time for Biden to be indicted
Another response to BidenPresident's OP. Though he tried censorship to make this argument go away, it's not working.

Censorship never works. It really isn't possible to shut people up. Even if one goes so far as to imprison or kill them, others take their place.
 
That makes ZERO difference. Possession is sufficient for charging someone.

That it is, IF possession is itself illegal. This is the case with Joe Biden, who illegally possessed documents he was never authorized to view at the time.
Worse, his son, Cocaine Hunter, was traveling to Ukraine and China and had access to these documents.
 
No you are wrong and stupid as it is the entire difference.

You can walk out of a store with some of their sale items in your cart unpaid for and when confronted, that you did not pay for them and thus do not own them, give them back, and they can choose to not have you charged.

You can do the same and when confronted refuse to give them back, lie to them that you even have them and try to block them until they forcibly take them back and they can choose to then have you chargted.


Thread after thread you keep making this stupid asinine argument, because you are dumb, that these situations must be treated the same due to the 'taking of the stuff' when in reality, when initial intent cannot be proven in either case, it is the willful defiance and obstruction that will get you charged.


We CANNOT prove the intent of the person who took the 'stuff' which often leads to them being given the benefit of the doubt. We can PROVE the intent to obstruct and the attempt to keep stolen stuff, which also speaks to the original theft.


That is the defining difference. THAT is why Trump needs to be charged and Pence does not.

Yet another attempt a proof by contrivance.

There is no shoplifting going on here.
Trump conducted no theft of any kind. He is authorized to retain any documents he wishes. He doesn't even need to 'declassify' them. NARA even helped him pack and ship the documents!
 
The government’s position was that Congress had decided that the president and the president alone decides what is a presidential record and what isn’t. He may take with him whatever records he chooses at the end of his term.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-sock-drawer-and-trumps-indictment-documents-pra-personal-files-13986b28

Congress has no such authority. This authority comes from the Constitution. Congress has no authority to mess with it.
 
QP! said:
You can do the same and when confronted refuse to give them back, lie to them that you even have them and try to block them until they forcibly take them back and they can choose to then have you chargted.


Thread after thread you keep making this stupid asinine argument, because you are dumb, that these situations must be treated the same due to the 'taking of the stuff' when in reality, when initial intent cannot be proven in either case, it is the willful defiance and obstruction that will get you charged.


We CANNOT prove the intent of the person who took the 'stuff' which often leads to them being given the benefit of the doubt. We can PROVE the intent to obstruct and the attempt to keep stolen stuff, which also speaks to the original theft.


That is the defining difference. THAT is why Trump needs to be charged and Pence does not.

False analogy. Do you think that officer in Florida could just give the documents he had back? No way, he was going to be charged either way.

Retired Air Force intelligence officer had 'hundreds' of classified documents in his Florida home including Top Secret briefs on the NSA's capabilities, feds say
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ndreds-classified-documents-Florida-home.html

Did this sailor who turned over everything immediately get off?

US ​​Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine
Kristian Saucier pleaded guilty in May to ‘foolish mistake’ of unauthorized detention of defense information

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...otos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

In his case, his lawyers applied the "Hillary defense" but the judge ruled that essentially Rules for thee, but not for she...

Only the 'Little People' and enemies of the Deep State get charged. You're an insider and connected, you walk.

Here again, T.A. Gardner is correct. QP! is STILL not realizing that Trump, as a former President has all the authority he needs to retain any document he wishes. Pence was never a President and does NOT have that authority.

QP! is again inverting his argument (a fallacy).
 
Again you are showing how stupid you are.

What you are arguing against is prosecutorial discretion, especially as it is used at the top ranks of government.


it is fine if you believe no such discretion SHOULD exist but it DOES exist.

Pence is proof of that when contrasted with your example.

You are not here screaming 'Pence needs to be charged'. Why not? The answer is because you are a partisan hack.

When Bidens independant Trump appointed Federal prosecutor and Special counsel finds that no charges should be done against Biden, you will cry that is unfair as if your view should over ride a Trump appointee who does this for a living.

Again why? Why are you not complaining about bias and Pence not being charged when he did not even have anyone independant look into it and you are already crying about Biden despite Garland putting a Trump guy to do the investigation?


it is because you are dumb partisan hack who is Trumpderp.

QP! is reduced to chanting now. He still doesn't understand the difference of authority that Trump and Pence have, and is even accusing T.A. Gardner if what QP! himeself is doing (an inversion fallacy).
 
Nope, Trump was not charged for the documents he returned.

Another pivot fallacy, this time as a Strawman. No one is talking about the documents that were returned. They are talking about the documents that Trump somehow 'stole', even though NARA helped him move the documents, and Trump has all the authorization to retain any documents he wants to, as former President. He doesn't even have to 'declassify' them. Only Presidents (and former Presidents) have this authority.
 
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Yet another attempt at censorship by idiots on the Left.

Bringing this thread out for open discussion.

The OP:


Here BidenPresident is again completely ignoring Trump's authority to retain any document he wishes. He is again ignoring the Constitution of the United States and the Presidential Record Act.

No such law exists in our government



It would mean no nation would share secrets with us



It would mean no spy of ours would live long


Misstating American laws won’t save trump from prison



So why do you traffic in these laws?


Because they help tear America Apart huh you Putin fluffer
 

Neither are standing on secret documents


Biden handed them over the second they were gone through and found by his researchers


Trump has no secret documents because the cops had to come and get them because he kept lying about having them and shuffling them from insecure location to insecure location so he could steal nuclear secrets



The indictment part of that cartoon is correct


It shows trump is “toast” just like his chosen DOJ head Says


Keep slobbering Putin Created talking points


It proves you are a foreign disinformation programmed bot hole
 
No such law exists in our government
The Constitution is law, dumbass. So is the Presidential Records Act.
It would mean no nation would share secrets with us
No, it doesn't.
It would mean no spy of ours would live long
No, it doesn't.
Misstating American laws won’t save trump from prison
No crime. It is YOU ignoring the Constitution and the PRA.
So why do you traffic in these laws?
Not traffic.
Because they help tear America Apart huh you Putin fluffer
Putin is a socialist. He supports DEMOCRATS. It is DEMOCRATS tearing America apart.
 
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