Don Lemon

He is not charged with entering the church. Though, again, churches are private property and when asked to leave you either do or are then trespassing...

However, that is not what he is charged with. Just as I would not be charged with entering the mythical restaurant you came up with if I went in to rob the store, but my actions would still be illegal. If I were a reporter and followed them in to video it I would be fine, I have no duty to report... However, if we are going to continue this analogy, if I was a reporter and giddily announced we were going somewhere to do something that I could not tell you about then stuck my microphone into the face of the manager as you held a gun on him and demanded the money in your behalf... well, now I've crossed a line and became a participant... even if I told you it was my first amendment right to say things and report on them.
Re read the OP which is what I replied to.

It specifically asked if as a reporter he would have a right to be there.

He did NOT say as a person who committed the list of crimes you guys now assert.

Again using my restaurant example it would be like me asking if the person had a right to be there and order off menu and when you say yes, THEN AND ONLY THEN do i say but he shot the waitress, he does not have a right to do that
 
You mean the waiting rooms?
It's a business, it is open to the public. Like your local Target. If you have such a business it is your duty to create privacy (make windows mirrored, make meeting rooms private with no windows, keep records out of site from any place public, etc.).

Though they do have some protection laws that are different than Target or the Church's, like you cannot protest on their front stoop, there are distance limits, etc.
 
It isn't subtitled. I'll take your word for it. He could have left.
Lemon could, indeed, have left.

But considering what the ICE thugs are doing in Minnesota...the MAGA morons getting all exercised over what he did is fucking joke. The fact that they rationalize and excuse most of what the ICE thugs are doing while going apeshit over what Lemon did...is an even bigger joke.

It is what you expect of clowns, though...so it shouldn't surprise.
 
They are private in the same way churches are private. You can enter the place legally for its stated purpose, but if you are asked to leave then you must leave or you are violating the law. If protestors invaded them... well, we'd be hearing a whole different thing here now wouldn't we?
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It isn't subtitled. I'll take your word for it. He could have left.
I watched the full video this morning. The Pastor asked him to leave instead he continued to interview people for 7 minutes more. The whole church invasion lasted 16 minutes.
 
Lemon could, indeed, have left.

But considering what the ICE thugs are doing in Minnesota...the MAGA morons getting all exercised over what he did is fucking joke. The fact that they rationalize and excuse most of what the ICE thugs are doing while going apeshit over what Lemon did...is an even bigger joke.

It is what you expect of clowns, though...so it shouldn't surprise.
Turn ICE in for violating the FACE Act or the KKK Act see how that works for you.
 
I didnt cite private property. Lemon puff was actively involved in the interruption of a religious service which is s violation not the FACE Act. The.law has been pointed out to you.
All I have seen is Damo wrongly characterizing two actions as wrong that would be perfectly legal for a reporter to do in the course of his job.

You guys stating he did "crimes" is not something anyone will simply accept without you citing something better than what Damo is getting wrong
 
Re read the OP which is what I replied to.

It specifically asked if as a reporter he would have a right to be there.
And I specifically responded. Yes, so long as he was not participating he would not violate laws by simply following them in and being there.
He did NOT say as a person who committed the list of crimes you guys now assert.
Which doesn't change that conversations move forward, not backwards and I presented you with "yes, but" and then continued the conversation on the forward path by giving you information as to what happened and why it was not "just being there"...
Again using my restaurant example it would be like me asking if the person had a right to be there and order off menu and when you say yes, THEN AND ONLY THEN do i say but he shot the waitress, he does not have a right to do that
In your restaurant example I would be answering, if he was entering to order off the menu he would have every right to be there, but that was never his plan.

Actually, in your restaurant example I would be stating he had every right to actually follow a criminal gang into the restaurant and film them committing a crime he knew was going to happen, as he has no duty to report because of rulings involving the first amendment... However, if he participates... like, for example, if he stuck the mic into the face of the woman at the register and yelled, give them your money! While also screaming how he had a first amendment right to do this... well, then he's no longer a reporter, he is just part of the gang with a large mouth and a camera.
 
All I have seen is Damo wrongly characterizing two actions as wrong that would be perfectly legal for a reporter to do in the course of his job.

You guys stating he did "crimes" is not something anyone will simply accept without you citing something better than what Damo is getting wrong
Like what?
 
I hear you, but you can't let an aggreges act like that go unpunished. Seriously, if we ignored this incident, the victims wouldn't get a chance for justice and the scumbags would not only repeat the same thing in more churches, they'd immediately look for ways to step it up until they got the arrests they were looking for. Also, I don't see anyway they could avoid arresting the little scumbag and keep any credibility.
I meant just keep Lemon out of the fray. He will scream, black, gay, and "I'm a journalist". Arrest everyone you can but Lemon will always have an excuse, and that could disrupt the charges against the others.
 
Lemon could have come in sat quietly and observed and if asked to leave got up and left immediately and he probably would have been fine. Instead he and his cameraman interrupted the worship service and did not leave when he was told to leave.
 
And I specifically responded. Yes, so long as he was not participating he would not violate laws by simply following them in and being there.

Which doesn't change that conversations move forward, not backwards and I presented you with "yes, but" and then continued the conversation on the forward path by giving you information as to what happened and why it was not "just being there"...

In your restaurant example I would be answering, if he was entering to order off the menu he would have every right to be there, but that was never his plan.

Actually, in your restaurant example I would be stating he had every right to actually follow a criminal gang into the restaurant and film them committing a crime he knew was going to happen, as he has no duty to report because of rulings involving the first amendment... However, if he participates... like, for example, if he stuck the mic into the face of the woman at the register and yelled, give them your money! While also screaming how he had a first amendment right to do this... well, then he's no longer a reporter, he is just part of the gang with a large mouth and a camera.
If he pre knew of the restaurant robbery was going down and bought the robbers coffee and doughnuts before the robbery and was personal friends with the robbers do you think he would be OK?
 
Lemon could have come in sat quietly and observed and if asked to leave got up and left immediately and he probably would have been fine. Instead he and his cameraman interrupted the worship service and did not leave when he was told to leave.
the pastor even attempted to push him toward the exit and he screamed to not touch him
 
I meant just keep Lemon out of the fray. He will scream, black, gay, and "I'm a journalist". Arrest everyone you can but Lemon will always have an excuse, and that could disrupt the charges against the others.
Let the left waste their money on Lawyers. I'm betting Lemon's husband is loving this Lemon's asshole hasn't been this tight since Junior High.
 
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I watched the full video this morning. The Pastor asked him to leave instead he continued to interview people for 7 minutes more. The whole church invasion lasted 16 minutes.1

And I specifically responded. Yes, so long as he was not participating he would not violate laws by simply following them in and being there.

Which doesn't change that conversations move forward, not backwards and I presented you with "yes, but" and then continued the conversation on the forward path by giving you information as to what happened and why it was not "just being there"...

In your restaurant example I would be answering, if he was entering to order off the menu he would have every right to be there, but that was never his plan.

Actually, in your restaurant example I would be stating he had every right to actually follow a criminal gang into the restaurant and film them committing a crime he knew was going to happen, as he has no duty to report because of rulings involving the first amendment... However, if he participates... like, for example, if he stuck the mic into the face of the woman at the register and yelled, give them your money! While also screaming how he had a first amendment right to do this... well, then he's no longer a reporter, he is just part of the gang with a large mouth and a camera.
And I kept replying i do not know specifics so my comments were limited to the OP.

Other than when I corrected the things you tried wrongly to assert were crimes which would not be
 
If he pre knew of the restaurant robbery was going down and bought the robbers coffee and doughnuts before the robbery and was personal friends with the robbers do you think he would be OK?
The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that knowledge of what was going to happen is not a crime as the reporter has no duty to report.

Now. Planning it with them, participating in any way, like driving the van to get them there, helping outline entrances, etc. all of that would be part of the crime and participating. His rights end at foreknowledge and just reporting. If he did anything to help them (food might be enough, actually, not sure there), like providing a venue for their planning, or involving himself in the crime once just being there became illegal (once the pastor asked them to leave) like then pretending to interview people while working with the crowd using their intimidation to get "responses".... all of that would be illegal.

He has no duty to report, but cannot participate in any way. In order to maintain his First Amendment protections he would have to just film and let things happen. He did not.
 
And I kept replying i do not know specifics so my comments were limited to the OP.

Other than when I corrected the things you tried wrongly to assert were crimes which would not be
So you admit you don't know what you are talking about. Like usual. :laugh:
 
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