All the sane members of both the Democratic and Republican parties know that all major elections are fair and secure. Trumpian lies about 30 million illegals voting is bullshit.
Does your vote count? YES, it does
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All the sane members of both the Democratic and Republican parties know that all major elections are fair and secure. Trumpian lies about 30 million illegals voting is bullshit.
Theywillneverlearn!
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When you can with certainty tell me not even ONE illegal has voted, we can continue.
I can't. Now prove to me that illegal vote(s) altered the outcome of a single Federal election.
In a nation with 240M voter eligible citizens, there will always be a small percentage of dumbasses doing something fucking stupid. You've seen this yourself in the Navy; most military personnel are great Americans, but there's always a few dumbasses who fuck things up for the rest of us.
Of the 240M voter eligible Americans, only about 60% actually show up to vote in elections. Of those, about 30% are Democrats, 30% Republicans and 40% are Independents like myself.
Regardless, American elections are fair and secure. Political rhetoric aside, both major parties agree that's true.
You haven't a clue, Fatboy. That's why you've allowed yourself to be sucked into the Trumpian White Nationalism black hole.
That's fine. Not only is it your choice, but when it comes to people like you and your little buddy, goat, I encourage you to leap into that hole head first.
Goat is trapped in his room and that explains why he's going insane. You have choices, but you're clearly stupid enough to allow your man-child desires to dictate your thinking. Sad, but it's a reason why I fault Democrats and their seatbelt and helmet laws.
Fat little dutchie,....Triggered AGAIN!
Unless people think a Libertarian has more in common with a SOCIALIST then a conservative Georgia legend that is.I think not.
Libertarians are closer to libs than they are to fascist MAGATs. Sorry, Charlie.
Geeko Sportivo
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One of my band members and friend calls himself a Libertarian now. I said, "I thought you were a Republican".
He said, "Not any more"! When I asked why not, he said, "Because of clowns like Donald Trump, Greg Abbott, and Ted Cruz ruining the Republican party"!
last week, he also advised us he didn't intend to even vote this time around, as he called it a "Waste Of Time"!
He said, "In Texas, and you are not a Republican,and you vote in the Big Cities of Texas- like where we live here in DFW, your vote doesn't count anyway the way the precincts have all been drawn up and rigged by the Republicans to guarantee their wins"!
He called me a sucker for thinking my vote still counts!
I vote anyway! I want my vote to be historically recorded, and it proven that more Democrats vote in Texas than Republicans- but yet the Republicans do always win somehow.
I want this unfairness exposed- with the hope someone cares somewhere and wants to level the playing field!
And not only that- If I didn't vote, I would feel guilty about my even discussing politics anymore!
He said, "Not any more"! When I asked why not, he said, "Because of clowns like Donald Trump, Greg Abbott, and Ted Cruz ruining the Republican party"!
last week, he also advised us he didn't intend to even vote this time around, as he called it a "Waste Of Time"!
He said, "In Texas, and you are not a Republican,and you vote in the Big Cities of Texas- like where we live here in DFW, your vote doesn't count anyway the way the precincts have all been drawn up and rigged by the Republicans to guarantee their wins"!
He called me a sucker for thinking my vote still counts!
I vote anyway! I want my vote to be historically recorded, and it proven that more Democrats vote in Texas than Republicans- but yet the Republicans do always win somehow.
I want this unfairness exposed- with the hope someone cares somewhere and wants to level the playing field!
And not only that- If I didn't vote, I would feel guilty about my even discussing politics anymore!
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Fat little dutchie,....Triggered AGAIN!You haven't a clue, Fatboy. That's why you've allowed yourself to be sucked into the Trumpian White Nationalism black hole.
That's fine. Not only is it your choice, but when it comes to people like you and your little buddy, goat, I encourage you to leap into that hole head first.
Goat is trapped in his room and that explains why he's going insane. You have choices, but you're clearly stupid enough to allow your man-child desires to dictate your thinking. Sad, but it's a reason why I fault Democrats and their seatbelt and helmet laws.
I'm content to let JPP members decide for themselves who is the most triggered between the two of us.
Agreed for the simple matter that Libertarians support and defend the Constitution. MAGAts do not.
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The Sage
Yep, I know that for a fact.
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Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.
Sounds left to me..
Since all persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor, we oppose all government activity that consists of the forcible collection of money or goods from individuals in violation of their individual rights and strive for the eventual repeal of all taxation. To further that end, we call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded or allowed to be provided in a voluntary manner.
2.5 Government Debt
Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
2.6 Government Employees
We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined-contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.
2.7 Money and Financial Markets
We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Markets are not actually free unless fraud is vigorously combated. Those who enjoy the possibility of profits must not impose risks of losses upon others, such as through government guarantees or bailouts. We support ending federal student loan guarantees and special treatment of student loan debt in bankruptcy proceedings. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.
2.8 Marketplace Freedom
Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form commercial enterprises based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise. We reject government charter of corporations. We call for a separation of business and state.
Sounds left to me..
Since all persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor, we oppose all government activity that consists of the forcible collection of money or goods from individuals in violation of their individual rights and strive for the eventual repeal of all taxation. To further that end, we call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded or allowed to be provided in a voluntary manner.
2.5 Government Debt
Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
2.6 Government Employees
We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined-contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.
2.7 Money and Financial Markets
We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Markets are not actually free unless fraud is vigorously combated. Those who enjoy the possibility of profits must not impose risks of losses upon others, such as through government guarantees or bailouts. We support ending federal student loan guarantees and special treatment of student loan debt in bankruptcy proceedings. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.
2.8 Marketplace Freedom
Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form commercial enterprises based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise. We reject government charter of corporations. We call for a separation of business and state.
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How do you know? Can you provide the facts here or are they all in your head and not to be shared?
Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.
Sounds left to me..
Since all persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor, we oppose all government activity that consists of the forcible collection of money or goods from individuals in violation of their individual rights and strive for the eventual repeal of all taxation. To further that end, we call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded or allowed to be provided in a voluntary manner.
2.5 Government Debt
Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
2.6 Government Employees
We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined-contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.
2.7 Money and Financial Markets
We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Markets are not actually free unless fraud is vigorously combated. Those who enjoy the possibility of profits must not impose risks of losses upon others, such as through government guarantees or bailouts. We support ending federal student loan guarantees and special treatment of student loan debt in bankruptcy proceedings. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.
2.8 Marketplace Freedom
Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form commercial enterprises based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise. We reject government charter of corporations. We call for a separation of business and state.
Gee,....I wonder how this platform lines up against the Socialist Warnocks????
81,000 people voted for chase Oliver, a LibertarianIf those 81,000 break anywhere near or even remotely close to how they should based upon Libertarian beliefs then that means Walker wins the run off Big time. This could be a CLASSIC case of a "split the vote scheme" blowing up in the face of those who engineered it. JUSTICE.
We heard the exact same claims in 2020... And they were wrong in 2020.
That saying depends on a dual meaning of the word "count", which only exists in English. Stalin did not speak English, so he never said it. I looked it up once, and found out he never said it, but it is clear even without looking it up.
Nor did he ever say "useful idiots." Stalin was a true believer in communism who saw capitalism as a dead end. The only real long term threat he saw was from socialists. Besides, the word for idiot in Russian directly translates as "useless", so the term would be "useful useless", and just sounds silly.
Stalin mostly said things that sound like trump.
In 2020, most Libertarians, and even some of the Republicans, just refused to vote in the runoff election. If they wanted to vote for Walker, they would have already. They pointedly refused to vote for Walker, and will probably do it a second time.
Somehow Stone forgot the voters always have a third option.
Agreed.
What amazes me is that the White Nationalists still want Trump to be their Leader even after he threw them all under the bus after 1/6.
