Does anyone know? 2

Lowaicue said:
Those who parade their particular fairy in the sky belief cannot support it. They, like most religious people, do not know - or cannot admit - why they believe. They just do as their parents told them or what a particular section of society they admire does. Either that or they are scared shitless by the unknown and will grab anything as a comfort blanket.
Not many gods would go for that, I think.
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I don't have to "support" my belief. I will tell my story to anyone interested, but in the end it all comes down to faith.
 
Lowaicue said:
What, precisely, do YOU mean by the word 'faith'?
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Hard to explain without resorting to a series of examples(such as, when I went to bed last night, I had FAITH that the sun would rise this morning, and my faith was rewarded).
But just off the top of my head, I would have to say that it is accepting something as true with no physical evidence to back it up.
 
callinectes said:
Hard to explain without resorting to a series of examples(such as, when I went to bed last night, I had FAITH that the sun would rise this morning, and my faith was rewarded).
But just off the top of my head, I would have to say that it is accepting something as true with no physical evidence to back it up.
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Your first sentence of course shows a quite different kind of faith from that alluded to in the rest of your post.
The sun has risen every morning for billions of years and has been witnessed ever since man crawled from the ooze. We know from science that statistically the chance of it not happening is practically non-existent. Science, with the aid of actual devices has established that there are no signs at all that the sun, a star which follows the pattern of other stars, will not fail to rise, nor will the earth fail in its movement through space.
So there is physical evidence to back it up.
Similarly there is physical evidence to show that a supernatural being does not and never has existed unless you deny the basic laws of physics that make your own life on this planet possible. So we could say, we exist therefore the laws of physics, which deny the existence of magic, are constant therefore the likelihood of there being any kind of god is zero.
If man does not know something he has two choices. He accepts that he does not know and that an answer may be found in time and with effort or he sits back and says 'god did it.'
Now you may say that the laws of physics do not matter and that your god transcends them and all else, but of course, if he is the creator, he will have created those laws and operate them for mankind. But what of other worlds which also obey those laws but which do not have inhabitants?
And what about other people's gods, gods who set one man against another for believing in the wrong god. The likelihood of you, or anyone else, being in the 'right' side is pretty small.
BTW As usual, when a poster is civil I would extend my thanks no matter what has gone before.
Thanks.
PS: Blue crabs? or do I have that wrong?
 
So we could say, we exist therefore the laws of physics, which deny the existence of magic, are constant therefore the likelihood of there being any kind of god is zero.
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This is the antithesis of science or the scientific method. You are determining something is "magic" because your science has no explanation for it. Are black holes magic? How about dark energy? Anti-matter? Science said it was impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, but Einstein said, "Hold on there a minute, science, not so fast!" During the time of Columbus, the noted "scientists" of the day thought him to be mad, because he would certainly sail off the edge of the earth! This was just over 500 years ago... not that long when you consider the age of time. Science is constantly discovering things we never knew before, correcting things we thought we knew, but were completely wrong about, correcting itself at times, as science is not infallible and incapable of error.

Let me ask you a question regarding 'faith' ...do you love your mother? Can you provide me with physical proof that you love your mother? Does the fact that you can't provide physical proof, mean your love for your mother does not exist? Isn't real? Is magic?
 
Actions speak louder than words...you can claim anything you want but I'll look to what you do.

You have no understanding of the scientific method. I love your supposed 'gotsha' in your sig...a great example. You take something out of context and hold it up asproof of something. You deny mans part in climate change yet will argue that there is a god.
 
Dixie said:
Then show it or shut the fuck up!
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There is no need to show you anything. I don't care if you wish to waste your time by putting your faith in magic. The world behaves in certain ways. It was here long before man questioned it. The only requirement for a god was to explain what ancient man was unable to explain. And it is still the case that some people choose to simply shrug and say, 'God did it' because they are, as are we all, pretty dumb and too lazy to find out for themselves and too impatient to wait for others to find out for them.
So there is no supernatural being unless you can show without doubt that there is. there is no god because


no god is required in order for the world, the solar system, the Milky Way, the universe any other universes to work.
Simple
 
Haiku said:
Actions speak louder than words...you can claim anything you want but I'll look to what you do.

You have no understanding of the scientific method. I love your supposed 'gotsha' in your sig...a great example. You take something out of context and hold it up asproof of something. You deny mans part in climate change yet will argue that there is a god.
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The only thing I have claimed is, we do not know everything. I realize that may come as a great shock to you people, but really, it's quite true.

I understand the scientific method completely, it is you who fails to understand it, as demonstrated in my sig line, which includes a link to the actual post, so everyone can go read the context for themselves, it's not taken out of context at all, it's presented exactly as you posted it.

I deny man's part in climate change because I don't think anything man does is worse than mother nature already does, and has been doing for hundreds of thousands of years, and will continue to do, in spite of mans efforts. It's naive and foolish, and frankly, refutes science itself, to think that man can control the climate.

And let's be clear, I have never advocated for any particular incarnation of "God." I have routinely been outspoken in my disdain for organized religion. I am not a big fan, but I can have that view and still believe that something greater than self exists. I am a spiritualist. Not because I "have faith" in something, but because I am convinced there is something. I've proven it to myself, and honestly don't care if you believe me or not, that is entirely your prerogative. The only argument I have ever made on this topic is, you don't have proof and you don't know. That still remains valid.
 
Lowaicue said:
There is no need to show you anything.
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So you can make the claim that science can prove no God exists or ever has, but you don't need to present this proof?

Okay.... Science proves God exists without question and always has... and I don't need to present that proof!

See how that works, moron?
 
some people choose to simply shrug and say, 'God did it' because they are, as are we all, pretty dumb and too lazy to find out for themselves and too impatient to wait for others to find out for them.
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So the scientist who mapped the human genome, who professes to be a Christian, was simply shrugging and saying "God did it" because he was lazy and dumb?
 
Dixie said:
The only thing I have claimed is, we do not know everything. I realize that may come as a great shock to you people, but really, it's quite true.

I understand the scientific method completely, it is you who fails to understand it, as demonstrated in my sig line, which includes a link to the actual post, so everyone can go read the context for themselves, it's not taken out of context at all, it's presented exactly as you posted it.

I deny man's part in climate change because I don't think anything man does is worse than mother nature already does, and has been doing for hundreds of thousands of years, and will continue to do, in spite of mans efforts. It's naive and foolish, and frankly, refutes science itself, to think that man can control the climate.

And let's be clear, I have never advocated for any particular incarnation of "God." I have routinely been outspoken in my disdain for organized religion. I am not a big fan, but I can have that view and still believe that something greater than self exists. I am a spiritualist. Not because I "have faith" in something, but because I am convinced there is something. I've proven it to myself, and honestly don't care if you believe me or not, that is entirely your prerogative. The only argument I have ever made on this topic is, you don't have proof and you don't know. That still remains valid.
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Is that the same 'you people' that Ann Romney spoke to? You people...LOL Then you proceed to argue using a straw dog...way to go. You do NOT understand the scientific method regardless of your claims to the contrary. You demonstrate it everyday with your assertions ^^^^^^this is a great example.

All you are is a nasty piece of work.
 
some people choose to simply shrug and say, 'God did it' because they are, as are we all, pretty dumb and too lazy to find out for themselves and too impatient to wait for others to find out for them.
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Probably the greatest and most influential scientist who ever lived, also believed in God as the master creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation. Sir Issac Newton wrote more on religion than he did on natural science. Newton claimed that in writing the Principia "I had an eye upon such Principles as might work with considering men for the belief of a Deity". He is actually responsible for much of the Protestant translations of The Bible.
 
Haiku said:
Is that the same 'you people' that Ann Romney spoke to? You people...LOL Then you proceed to argue using a straw dog...way to go. You do NOT understand the scientific method regardless of your claims to the contrary. You demonstrate it everyday with your assertions ^^^^^^this is a great example.

All you are is a nasty piece of work.
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argument ad absurdium.

You start off with a lie about something you claimed Ann Romney said, which has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation... then you hurl a string of accusations you can't back up... followed by a string of insults and personal denigration. And to you, this passes as "clever!"
 
Dixie said:
So you can make the claim that science can prove no God exists or ever has, but you don't need to present this proof?

Okay.... Science proves God exists without question and always has... and I don't need to present that proof!

See how that works, moron?
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Did I use the word 'proof'?
 
Dixie said:
The God that orders people to murder others in his name, is not the same God as Christians have, sorry. You can claim they are the same God, and the Muslims claim them to be the same God, but Muslims also claim Jesus was Muslim. When you go back to early Islam, you will find that "Allah" means "The God" to distinguish it from the other Gods they worshiped. After Muhammad, the story was developed that Allah was the God of Abraham. It's like claiming an Elvis impersonator is really Elvis because he sang Elvis songs and dressed like him. If you wish to believe it, that's fine, it's just not the truth.
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Again ditzie, as we have discussed before, the God of Abraham is who they all worship. IT IS THE STORIES TOLD ABOUT GOD THAT DIFFER.

Muslims do believe in 'The God'... 'THE GOD... OF ABRAHAM'
 
Lowaicue said:
Did I use the word 'proof'?
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Here's your words exactly:

Similarly there is physical evidence to show that a supernatural being does not and never has existed unless you deny the basic laws of physics that make your own life on this planet possible.

Now assuming you comprehend that "physical evidence" equals "proof" I think you clearly stated this. Unless someone has access to your ID.
 
Superfreak said:
Again ditzie, as we have discussed before, the God of Abraham is who they all worship. IT IS THE STORIES TOLD ABOUT GOD THAT DIFFER.

Muslims do believe in 'The God'... 'THE GOD... OF ABRAHAM'
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Islam believed in many gods, and 'The God', or Allah, was the God of all Gods. It was after Muhammad they adopted the "Same God of Abraham" story.
 
"...which god..." "...whose god..."

This is lame. The fairy tales are all different, according to which dogma is telling them. It's all the same god: the IMAGINARY one.
 
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