Does Anyone in Obama's Adminstration Know What Our Egyptian Policy Is?

Dixie said:
Secretary Hillary Clinton in 2009: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family."
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Are not the Sauds close friends of the bushes? Much more dangerous, do you not agree?
 
Lowaicue said:
Are not the Sauds close friends of the bushes? Much more dangerous, do you not agree?
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Sigh... you mean the Saudi King Obama bowed to as soon as he was elected? Yeah... since Saudi Arabia is one of our biggest allies, and we'd all pretty much die without the oil from them, then it's probably not a bad thing our former presidents, as well as our current president, is on 'friendly' terms. But we're not talking about the Saudi's here, are we? I thought the discussion was the Egyptian president, Mubarak... seems the left wants to paint Mubarak as some "friend of the Tea Party" or something, as if the Clinton's and Obama never had any use for him... it's really quite pathetic.
 
Dixie said:
Sigh... you mean the Saudi King Obama bowed to as soon as he was elected? Yeah... since Saudi Arabia is one of our biggest allies, and we'd all pretty much die without the oil from them, then it's probably not a bad thing our former presidents, as well as our current president, is on 'friendly' terms. But we're not talking about the Saudi's here, are we? I thought the discussion was the Egyptian president, Mubarak... seems the left wants to paint Mubarak as some "friend of the Tea Party" or something, as if the Clinton's and Obama never had any use for him... it's really quite pathetic.
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Mubarrak is/was a corrupt dictator who tortured his own people and left millions of them living in abject poverty. He also danced to the American 'fiddle' as far as Israel was concerned.
The Sauds finance terrorism all over the world, promote Wahabism through the issuance of Islamic school text books, kill people for being gay and were probably the first actual family to hold the US over a barrel, as it were.
Of course, because you get oil from them and you cannot bring yourself to admit that the US foreign policy is as corrupt and manipulative as any in the world, they will remain in your myopic vision, thoroughly acceptable.
 
Threedee said:
Tom's right, though. There are plenty of countries in Africa which are worse than Egypt...
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There are plenty of countries worse than America. Should you, therefore be satisfied with your lot?

'OK Egyptians. Listen up, you hear. Go home and get back to your poverty, there are people in the rest of Africa who are worse off than you. The great big brother Hosni will care for you and give you plenty of work, just as soon as America gives us more money to re-introduce our own slave labourso we can make stuff for the great Walmart.
Big brother Hosni has to live in a huge house and steal millions of dollars and the food from your mouths because his enormous brain can only function on a champagne and caviar diet. Long live big brother Hosni.'
 
Lowaicue said:
Mubarrak is/was a corrupt dictator who tortured his own people and left millions of them living in abject poverty. He also danced to the American 'fiddle' as far as Israel was concerned.
The Sauds finance terrorism all over the world, promote Wahabism through the issuance of Islamic school text books, kill people for being gay and were probably the first actual family to hold the US over a barrel, as it were.
Of course, because you get oil from them and you cannot bring yourself to admit that the US foreign policy is as corrupt and manipulative as any in the world, they will remain in your myopic vision, thoroughly acceptable.
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Yes, and Saddam Hussein was corrupt dictator who tortured his own people... dropped poison gas bombs on them, as a matter of fact. (don't recall this happening in Egypt) Saddam also financed terror all over the world, and allowed alQaeda to train inside his country. But in the case of Saddam... OHHhhh... we have to leave him be! The people need to stand up to him on their own... we don't need to be involved... we certainly don't need to overthrow Saddam, he keeps the radicals in check... blah blah blah... and then when we DO oust him, we hear 8 years of incredulous condemnation of the right, for daring to support our troops in the ouster of a brutal tyrant dictator... Suddenly, we are supposed to jump because Mubarak is a mean person? It make NO SENSE! You people are completely off your rockers! For 8 years, all we heard about, was what a MISTAKE it was to go into Iraq and try to foster democracy in the middle east... now we have Obama, essentially utilizing the Bush Doctrine on Egypt! And Pinheads trying to criticize the right for not being on board with that! Does anyone besides me see the utter irony of all this?

First we had Clinton and Obama defending the Bush Tax Cuts...
Then we had Obama quoting Ronald Reagan...
Now we have the Administration embracing the Bush Doctrine...

Un-freaking-believable! I would have NEVER guessed this would happen!
 
Dixie said:
Yes, and Saddam Hussein was corrupt dictator who tortured his own people... dropped poison gas bombs on them, as a matter of fact. (don't recall this happening in Egypt) Saddam also financed terror all over the world, and allowed alQaeda to train inside his country. But in the case of Saddam... OHHhhh... we have to leave him be! The people need to stand up to him on their own... we don't need to be involved... we certainly don't need to overthrow Saddam, he keeps the radicals in check... blah blah blah... and then when we DO oust him, we hear 8 years of incredulous condemnation of the right, for daring to support our troops in the ouster of a brutal tyrant dictator... Suddenly, we are supposed to jump because Mubarak is a mean person? It make NO SENSE! You people are completely off your rockers! For 8 years, all we heard about, was what a MISTAKE it was to go into Iraq and try to foster democracy in the middle east... now we have Obama, essentially utilizing the Bush Doctrine on Egypt! And Pinheads trying to criticize the right for not being on board with that! Does anyone besides me see the utter irony of all this?

First we had Clinton and Obama defending the Bush Tax Cuts...
Then we had Obama quoting Ronald Reagan...
Now we have the Administration embracing the Bush Doctrine...

Un-freaking-believable! I would have NEVER guessed this would happen!
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How was Sadaam a direct threat to America?
 
Of course, because you get oil from them and you cannot bring yourself to admit that the US foreign policy is as corrupt and manipulative as any in the world, they will remain in your myopic vision, thoroughly acceptable.
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Here's the thing, you little fuckwit.. It doesn't matter if I "like" the Saudis or not! It doesn't matter how much I scream and yell about us dealing with the Saudi's, or what alarming demands I make of my government.... We are still GOING to deal with the Saudis because we HAVE to! We have NO CHOICE! What's going on there is totally unacceptable, and I believe it is the literal hotbed of all this Islamic radicalism, but the bottom line is, if America loses the oil supply from the Saudis, we are done... the economy tanks, gas prices go to $10 a gallon or more, if you can find it.. and life in America will pretty much suck for everybody. Thank the Tree-Huggers for this... because of their efforts, we are DEPENDENT on foreign oil!
 
Lowaicue said:
Are you about to invade Egypt?
This is getting silly Dixie. Suggest we call it a day.
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I hope we're not, but you asked a stupid question, so I answered it with one. Whether Saddam posed any direct immediate threat to the sovereignty of the United States, is not relevant. Just like whether Mubarak poses a threat is not relevant. How can you sit there and condemn Mubarak and our relationship with him, but give Saddam a total pass? Both men-- dictators who treat their people like shit... either we stand in opposition to that, or it's no big deal and we shouldn't get involved! It can't be one way for one dictator, and another way for the other.
 
Dixie said:
I hope we're not, but you asked a stupid question, so I answered it with one. Whether Saddam posed any direct immediate threat to the sovereignty of the United States, is not relevant. Just like whether Mubarak poses a threat is not relevant. How can you sit there and condemn Mubarak and our relationship with him, but give Saddam a total pass? Both men-- dictators who treat their people like shit... either we stand in opposition to that, or it's no big deal and we shouldn't get involved! It can't be one way for one dictator, and another way for the other.
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Well, you're the guy that said you cannot treat one dictator one way and another dictator another way. Clinton never said that.
 
I don't really see the relevance of your pictures. Your the dumbass claiming that you can't treat one dictator one way and another dictator another. Clinton didn't say that. Obama didn't say that.

The fact of the matter is that Mubarak has been an ally of the United States for quite some time now and, given the relationship between Egypt and the United States, has had a close relationship with several United States presidents and I've never claimed otherwise.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Well, you're the guy that said you cannot treat one dictator one way and another dictator another way. Clinton never said that.
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Well obviously, you either totally missed the point or haven't been reading the thread. Maybe both. We're hearing this condemnation of Mubarak, while you fuckwits attempt to somehow tie him to the right, as if he is some big friend of the right and adversary of the left. Democrats AND Republicans have embraced and HUGGED Mubarak! He promised (and delivered) peace to Israel for all these years, he has helped (somewhat) in the war on terrorism. Yes, he is mean to his people.... so was Saddam... did that make a difference to you, when you were condemning Bush for taking him out? So why should that make any difference now? Mubarak has been more of an ally to the US than Saddam EVER was! But here is what you see... political opportunity! Tie Mubarak to the right, and then claim it is the right who supports Mubarak remaining in power! How about we tie the left to the Muslim Brotherhood?
 
Dixie said:
Well obviously, you either totally missed the point or haven't been reading the thread. Maybe both. We're hearing this condemnation of Mubarak, while you fuckwits attempt to somehow tie him to the right, as if he is some big friend of the right and adversary of the left. Democrats AND Republicans have embraced and HUGGED Mubarak! He promised (and delivered) peace to Israel for all these years, he has helped (somewhat) in the war on terrorism. Yes, he is mean to his people.... so was Saddam... did that make a difference to you, when you were condemning Bush for taking him out? So why should that make any difference now? Mubarak has been more of an ally to the US than Saddam EVER was! But here is what you see... political opportunity! Tie Mubarak to the right, and then claim it is the right who supports Mubarak remaining in power! How about we tie the left to the Muslim Brotherhood?
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No, I got the point. It was just a really stupid point.

And I'm not tying Mubarak to anyone in particular. I'm just pointing out your chronic dumbassery.
 
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