Do you think they have much on Comey?

zymurgy said:
  • Obstruction does not require that the false-statement charge itself be proven.
  • Instead, prosecutors must show he corruptly endeavored to influence, obstruct, or impede the proceeding.
  • A false statement can be the act that constitutes obstruction, but obstruction could also exist in other forms (delaying, withholding documents, misleading testimony, etc.).
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The indictment says he obstruction was the supposed lying to Congress. To get an obstruction charge that is not dependent on lying to Congress, the prosecutor would need to go back and get a new indictment.
 
zymurgy said:

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  • To convict, prosecutors must prove that Comey knowingly and willfully made a materially false statement to Congress.
  • That stands on its own: if the jury finds he lied, that’s one conviction.

2.

  • Obstruction does not require that the false-statement charge itself be proven.
  • Instead, prosecutors must show he corruptly endeavored to influence, obstruct, or impede the proceeding.
  • A false statement can be the act that constitutes obstruction, but obstruction could also exist in other forms (delaying, withholding documents, misleading testimony, etc.).

3.

  • In Comey’s case, the government is alleging that the same conduct (his testimony) both:
    • was a false statement (Count 1), and
    • was part of an effort to obstruct the Senate’s investigation (Count 2).

So: the obstruction charge doesn’t legally require that the jury find him guilty on the false-statement count.
However, practically, the obstruction case is built on the alleged lie — so if the jury doesn’t believe he lied, proving obstruction becomes very difficult.
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There is no question Comey did not lie as demonstrated above.

McCabe said 'i told Comey after i did it'. Ted Cruz asked 'did you authorize it' and did you 'testify you did not authorize it' as that cannot be true with what McCabe also saying being true.

That is wrong. Being told "i did something already" after the fact is not 'authorizing' it.

The lie here is the Trump DoJ pushing the same lie Ted Cruz did. Ted may have been in error though. The Trump DoJ is not in error as this would have been noted in the file as to why the prior prosecutor would not proceed.
 
Walt said:

Comey violated policy, but not the law, in releasing the documents. Those are just the facts. We spend so much time debating the facts in this forum, we never seem to get around to debating opinions and policies.

Anyway, I am not seeing any actual quote to Congress where Comey lied. He openly said to Congress, "I asked a friend of mine[Richman] to share the content of the memo with a reporter. I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel." To prove that was a lie, trump would have to prove that Comey did not leak the memo.
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www.reuters.com

The 2020 Senate testimony that led to charges against ex-FBI chief Comey

Prosecutors alleged Comey made false statements when he stood behind 2017 Senate testimony.
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zymurgy said:
www.reuters.com

The 2020 Senate testimony that led to charges against ex-FBI chief Comey

Prosecutors alleged Comey made false statements when he stood behind 2017 Senate testimony.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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You accidentally let the fun fact out:
The indictment does not name the investigation, but it appears to relate to a Wall Street Journal report from October 2016 about an FBI probe into the Clinton family's charitable foundation.
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The indictment seems defective, because it does not mention a specific crime, which would usually have a specific quote. Beyond that, it is tough to make the case Comey lied about trump.... BUT THIS IS THE FUN PART:

They might actually have a case if you consider Clinton the victim. So it is possible to have a court case, if we are willing to spend the better part of the next year talking about how Comey's leaks stole the election Clinton should have rightfully won. And trump should have rightfully lost.

Another trump idiocy backfires.
 
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