Do you think many on the right even understand what the Founding Fathers did?

[LV426]

They don't. The #Oathkeeper #Threeper #InsurrectionistOf6Jan is lying, as usual.

I can usually put up with a lot on JPP, but one thing I don't put up with is selective amnesia.

 

[Into the Night]

Maybe this will help, if Alexander Hamilton is not guilty of "spewing nonsense":

"The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."

The purpose of the electoral college is to give each State representation in selecting the President.
In other words, Wyoming doesn't get shoved to the corner by other States. It still has it's votes, regardless of population.

It is not obsolete.
It is not cancelled. It is still law.

 

[Into the Night]

can you find a SC case that says that state legislatures are not responsible for election laws?......

Irrelevant, actually. The Supreme Court cannot change the Constitution.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

...was ZERO.

ZERO "leftists" wanted Obama to have more power;

https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/people/2014/10/10/barack-obama-gwyneth-paltrow/17008485/

In a brief introduction punctuated by "ums," Paltrow declared herself one of Obama's biggest fans. She also says he's an "incredible role model" for this generation.

Paltrow says the Nov. 4 elections are a "critical time" for Democrats and that it would be wonderful to give Obama the power he needs to pass what he needs to pass.

so much for your ZERO

 

[Jarod]

"These days", but then goes back 50 years to find the last time SCOTUS ruled on something that you don't like.

What a fuckin' poseur.

By and large Abortion was legal until the 1950's.

 

[Into the Night]

You're arguing with Alexander Hamilton now, not me. Good luck.

So you have no argument. Gotit. Alexander Hamilton is not on this forum. He is dead.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It is precisely what you said, and now you're getting mad that I'm quoting you in full.

wrong. I said leftists wanted executives to have more power, like monarchy. you asked when that was, I said it started with clinton. you then went straight in to saying that I said clinton was a monarch, which was a lie by you.

 

[Into the Night]

If today's American Reichwingers lived in the 1770s, they would be busy trying to track down and hang all the revolutionaries, including the founding fathers. They are all Tories at heart, wanting to live under the rule of a corrupt orange king.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I can usually put up with a lot on JPP, but one thing I don't put up with is selective amnesia.

then you should be really upset with yourself

 

[Into the Night]

You mean the one that fucked over your #TangerineTyrant last November, that you've been denying ever since? That electoral college thing?

There was no electoral college in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

 

[LV426]

Paltrow says the Nov. 4 elections are a "critical time" for Democrats and that it would be wonderful to give Obama the power he needs to pass what he needs to pass.

"Power" in this context is giving Obama a supermajority-proof Senate and Democratic House "to pass what he needs to pass."

A monarch wouldn't even bother with that.

Do you understand that?

 

[LV426]

wrong. I said leftists wanted executives to have more power, like monarchy. you asked when that was, I said it started with clinton

And you were completely fucking wrong because Clinton was no monarch when he was POTUS.

For most of his term, he had a Republican Congress.

 

[Into the Night]

The founders believed in legal slavery,

Did you forget Jefferson already?

they believed only men with property should vote,

Because only they have a stake in that property.

that women were not smart enough to vote,

Unnecessary at the time. Nuclear families were the norm.

and they believed only white men should be in charge.

Never did.

There were a lot of things we had to change from what the founders established.

Yes. Thomas Jefferson's dream of ending slavery took probably the longest.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

And you were completely fucking wrong because Clinton was no monarch when he was POTUS.

For most of his term, he had a Republican Congress.

ROFL more selective amnesia, or purposefully avoiding context. I CLEARLY said leftists wanted the exec to be a monarch..........YOU wrongly assumed I said clinton was a monarch

 

[Into the Night]

Poopeye, if you would disconnect your keyboard, your idiocy wouldn't be revealed to the world.

He is absolutely correct. It is DEMOCRATS that are racists. It is DEMOCRATS that fought to continue slavery and still want to see it implemented today. It is DEMOCRATS that put down women.

 

[LV426]

I CLEARLY said leftists wanted the exec to be a monarch

YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN THIS.

The closest you came was a quote from a celebrity calling for Democrats to take control of Congress so Obama can pass what he needs to pass.

A monarch wouldn't even bother with Congress; they'd just rule by fiat.

You are completely out of control on this thread.

 

[Into the Night]

No, the right to an abortion was codified in 1972 by way of the 14th Amendment.

The 14th amendment does not legalize abortion. See the 14th amendment.

 

[Into the Night]

Since when do left wingers support a monarchy as a form of government?

Since Democrats have existed as a party.

 

[Into the Night]

"These days", but then goes back 50 years to find the last time SCOTUS ruled on something that you don't like.

What a fuckin' poseur.

SCOTUS does not have authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

...was ZERO.

ZERO "leftists" wanted Obama to have more power; what we wanted was legislation from Congress to address the many, many needs this country has.

We are the ones who wanted to get rid of the AUMF, which would have resulted in less power for the Executive Branch.

Guess who resisted getting rid of the AUMF, even when Obama was POTUS? Just guess. I bet you know who.

You wanted terrorists to just run rampant, then.
You are also lying.