do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?

do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?

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Jarod said:
I remember very well that plenty of Americans considered dissent to be unpatirotic.
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they were obviously unfamiliar with the constitution, especially the 1st amendment

also, you used the past tense, i think that there are still plenty of them around, mostly republicans
 
Don Quixote said:
they were obviously unfamiliar with the constitution, especially the 1st amendment

also, you used the past tense, i think that there are still plenty of them around, mostly republicans
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The 1st Amendment, nor any amendment has anything to do with defining patriotism.....furthermore, patriotism is a rather relative term....

There are many Americans that refuse to defend the country, that ridicule the country, that burn the nations flag, some actually claim they
hate the country......are these patriots in the common sense of the word....personally, I would say they are not....many others will
defend their actions as rights of expression, many will qualify these actions as patriotic, if only in their eyes....

You can't claim to be a patriot only one your terms, the same way you can't claim to be honest, honorable or ethical, but only on your terms.....
Everyone has different values so the term patriot becomes somewhat flexible as to become practically meaningless ....

and to claim that dissent can't be unpatriotic in the eyes of others, or is always patriotic is just plain ignorance speaking.
 
NOVA said:
Interesting perspective Christie....

and interesting that the majority of them are now supporting Obama in the Afghanistan coalition.....I wonder if its for the same reasons you seem to
want us to believe they were in the Iraq coalition before....all dummies ?.....

The Vietnam War only had United States, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea. A coalition of 4....all are included Iraq and Afghanistan....bullied and blind, huh....

Well, some of us, nevertheless, call them allies....whatever you imagine their 'real' motives were or are.

I wonder what 'motives' all those nations that voted for the UN resolutions had.....all bribed, bullied and blind perhaps....

Is there anyone you won't ridicule for your blind and bribed partisan loyalty ?
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I guess you think it's partisan to oppose war but I don't. You have a pretty narrow view of what partisanship entails.
 
christiefan915 said:
I guess you think it's partisan to oppose war but I don't. You have a pretty narrow view of what partisanship entails.
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Actually, no....its not 'always' partisan to oppose war....even I oppose war in some cases, depends on circumstances and what I think about the
Congress's or Presidents' reasons for conflict, the danger to our country or an ally, if we were attacked or threatened with
attack, etc.....I don't like wars of 'containment' as they are called, or 'police actions' or getting involved in the 'civil wars' of others unless there is
a clear and urgent need to prevent or stop genocide.....

So its not as neat and tidy as you would like to believe.....

In some cases the opposition is purely partisan.....and totally hypocritical....

remember this....“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.-----2007- Obama
 
christiefan915 said:
I guess you think it's partisan to oppose war but I don't. You have a pretty narrow view of what partisanship entails.
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quite true, maybe he should remember that bushco started the afghan war also, and that obama has set an end date for it

although i wish it were sooner, like as soon as possible after bin laden was killed

i think that if bushco had not neglected the afghan war we might have gotten bin laden sooner and gotten out sooner
 
NOVA said:
Actually, no....its not 'always' partisan to oppose war....even I oppose war in some cases, depends on circumstances and what I think about the
Congress's or Presidents' reasons for conflict, the danger to our country or an ally, if we were attacked or threatened with
attack, etc.....I don't like wars of 'containment' as they are called, or 'police actions' or getting involved in the 'civil wars' of others unless there is
a clear and urgent need to prevent or stop genocide.....

So its not as neat and tidy as you would like to believe.....

In some cases the opposition is purely partisan.....and totally hypocritical....

remember this....“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.-----2007- Obama
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Then why are you squawking at me for criticizing Iraq? If we were discussing Korea, Vietnam, first Gulf War I'd be just as opposed.
 
Don Quixote said:
quite true, maybe he should remember that bushco started the afghan war also, and that obama has set an end date for it

although i wish it were sooner, like as soon as possible after bin laden was killed

i think that if bushco had not neglected the afghan war we might have gotten bin laden sooner and gotten out sooner
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You're so right. I remember clearly when bush said bin laden wasn't a top priority for his administration and that was only months after 9/11.
 
christiefan915 said:
Then why are you squawking at me for criticizing Iraq? If we were discussing Korea, Vietnam, first Gulf War I'd be just as opposed.
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Actually, I think its YOU squawking at ME, Sweetlips.....you can criticized Iraq all you want....but you need to have a better understanding of why and how it happened...
and not from Monday morning quarterback point of view.....we all know about 20-20 hindsight .


Sounds like you oppose all war in just about all circumstances....you didn't think Kuwait was worth saving ? or half of Korea when it was attacked ?.....
Honoring treatys and aiding allys ?
Vietnam I'll agree with, the worst blunder into war in our history, for nothing other than a presidents ego and pride.
 
christiefan915 said:
Then why are you squawking at me for criticizing Iraq? If we were discussing Korea, Vietnam, first Gulf War I'd be just as opposed.
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we were really resisting china in korea and i think we should have used a nuke on the chinese troops when and where they entered korea

war sucks, but letting one run on sucks more
 
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NOVA said:
The 1st Amendment, nor any amendment has anything to do with defining patriotism.....furthermore, patriotism is a rather relative term....

There are many Americans that refuse to defend the country, that ridicule the country, that burn the nations flag, some actually claim they
hate the country......are these patriots in the common sense of the word....personally, I would say they are not....many others will
defend their actions as rights of expression, many will qualify these actions as patriotic, if only in their eyes....

You can't claim to be a patriot only one your terms, the same way you can't claim to be honest, honorable or ethical, but only on your terms.....
Everyone has different values so the term patriot becomes somewhat flexible as to become practically meaningless ....

and to claim that dissent can't be unpatriotic in the eyes of others, or is always patriotic is just plain ignorance speaking.
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Since where is it written that patriotism requires you to follow an inept ideologue on an immoral cause like the Iraq War? Do you guys have any clue how stupid you sound?

Derp, derp....do what ever Dubya tells ya to or use aint a patriot!
 
Remember the color coded alert system that jumped to red everytime we had an election or bad news came out against Bush.
 
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Remember how the ENTIRE American whore media was in for thr ride?
They fired Phil Donohue and Martin Sheen off TV for SUGGESTING
it might be a bad idea to invade, but nobody would listen.

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signalmankenneth said:
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Remember how the ENTIRE American whore media was in for thr ride?
They fired Phil Donohue and Martin Sheen off TV for SUGGESTING
it might be a bad idea to invade, but nobody would listen.

arlington-graves-sm.jpg
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wow.....did you actually type that all by yourself ? Not perfect, but not too bad.

the ENTIRE American whore media was in for thr ride ?

Yet, they didn't have Thingy fooled.
 
One thing I never bought from the right back in 2004, was the idea that debate about the decision to go to war was over, and that we should just focus on who had the best plan for reconstruction. Whatever the background for actions such as Iraq and Libya, the president who actually go in bares all of the blame. It was a legitimate question whether or not Bush should have gone in, because poor judgement is always relevant, regardless of the issue. As it happened, Kerry was just as stupid, and Dems had been more excited about Dean and Edwards, so Bush lucked out.
 
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