do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?

[Airstrip One]

naughty naughty 3d, not all muslims are any epitaph that anyone would care to use towards them...especially most muslims living in western nations

Yeah, you'd think they would realize how much better we are and change their practices.

 

[Airstrip One]

@Bravo: Don't you think the intelligent thing for Bush would have been to do the exact opposite of what Clinton and Gore proposed? Fuck, he campaigned on less foreign involvement.

 

[NOVA]

Going to war is a last resort, you imbecile. It isn't like taking an umbrella out "in case it rains."

You want 'serious debate' with that kind of idiocy? Really?

Man, is that umbrella analogy horrific. It tops Dixie's "family driving to Disneyland" analogy regarding Iraq a few years back.

Umbrella-ella-ella-ella. Once I start singing that, I can't get it out of my head.

Are you ever going to learn to read and comprehend whats actually written....

Its as simple as the decision to take an umbrella with you when you go out....why take it?, ....because you must obviously think you're going to need it....
whether it actually rains or not, is irrelevant to making the decision.....I can't make it any easier....even a buffoon like must understand it.
Thats the point I've been making for years....I don't condemn Clinton for bombing Iraq in 93 and 98, killing Iraqis....I'm sure he did what he did in the belief that
if was the right thing to do.....and thats the point....I'm sure Obama is aware of his now record number of our soldiers KIA in Afghanistan and sure he is doing
what he feels is the right thing no matter how it turns out in the future....I'm sure you'll agree with that.

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Just for the record,

"even a buffoon like you must understand it."

Considering the posts received in response to my simple analogy, I'll have to take back the 'buffoon' statement.....
He obviously doesn't understand it.

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[Cancel 2020.1]

I'm glad you posted that again. Anyone just joining won't have to go back a page to see that horrific analogy.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Going to war is a last resort, you imbecile. It isn't like taking an umbrella out "in case it rains."

You want 'serious debate' with that kind of idiocy? Really?

I am cracking up. What makes it even funnier is his scolding us for not reading his posts enough so that we can learn from him.

 

[NOVA]

Going to war is a last resort, you imbecile. It isn't like taking an umbrella out "in case it rains."

You want 'serious debate' with that kind of idiocy? Really?

Man, is that umbrella analogy horrific. It tops Dixie's "family driving to Disneyland" analogy regarding Iraq a few years back.

Umbrella-ella-ella-ella. Once I start singing that, I can't get it out of my head.

@Bravo: Don't you think the intelligent thing for Bush would have been to do the exact opposite of what Clinton and Gore proposed? Fuck, he campaigned on less foreign involvement.

In light of what we now know, it would have been like hitting the lottery.....

But ridicule was coming no matter what this president.....the media and Democrats were pissed about the impeachment and they were gonna savage
any republican they could get in their sights, no matter what they did or didn't do....9/11 might have delayed that for 6 months, but it was coming
in any case....I think history has proven that....he would be blamed for where happened and the facts be damned.....
Those that write history, have control of the perceptions of what is fact and what is fiction....

 

[Jarod]

It's important to never allow the Bushies to rewrite the history on this one. This was an admin that was hellbent on war with Iraq from 2001 on, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and was never a threat to the U.S.

We've got Paul O'Neil talking about how they needed to find "something on Iraq" after 9/11; we've got British intelligence stating that the "intel was being fixed around the policy"; we've got Powell's top aide saying that he was given a "chinese menu" of intel and told to make a case for war; we've got Wolfowicz saying that they "decided" on WMD's as the reason to go to war, because it could be sold to the public.

They never looked for a single reason not to go. It was all about selling an unnecessary war to the American people.

Those who do not study (remember) history are doomed to repet it. Hell I give it a 30% chance the R's are going to nominate another Bush for president in 16'.

 

[NOVA]

I am cracking up. What makes it even funnier is his scolding us for not reading his posts enough so that we can learn from him.

Would you like to refute something I said ?,,,, or respond to an opinion with one of your own ?.....

 

[Jarod]

We had just been attacked by terrorists, we believed at that time Saddam had wmds which could be given to terrorist organizations to use against us. Saddam would not allow inspectors to do their job, I wouldn't take any chances either.

Who believed we had WMD, only those who gave GWB and his cronies any creedence. BHO said he bevlieved GWB had not yet made the case.

 

[signalmankenneth]

True, Bush/Cheney couldn't steal billions in peacetime
so they phoneyed up that war that killed 5,000 soldiers.

For the large version with detail, click here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...rpresident.jpg

 

[NOVA]

It's important to never allow the Bushies to rewrite the history on this one. This was an admin that was hellbent on war with Iraq from 2001 on, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and was never a threat to the U.S.

We've got Paul O'Neil talking about how they needed to find "something on Iraq" after 9/11; we've got British intelligence stating that the "intel was being fixed around the policy"; we've got Powell's top aide saying that he was given a "chinese menu" of intel and told to make a case for war; we've got Wolfowicz saying that they "decided" on WMD's as the reason to go to war, because it could be sold to the public.

They never looked for a single reason not to go. It was all about selling an unnecessary war to the American people.

Bush couldn't 'fix' the intell from Germany
Bush couldn't 'fix' the intell from France
Bush couldn't 'fix' the intell from the UK
Bush couldn't even 'fix' the intell from the 16 separate and independent US agencies that wrote the NIE reports....
Bush couldn't manufacture the unanimous votes against Iraq in the UN that started before or after he became President.

If he did any of the above, I'd be very interested in how he did it....was he a genius or a chimp...you can't have it both ways.
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WMD's were far from the ONLY reason for the Iraq war....something thingy seems not to be aware of.

The Iraq War Resolution:

The resolution cited factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:

* Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
* Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
* Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
* Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
* Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
* Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
* Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
* The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
* The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.

The entire Congress of the US was well aware of what was written in the War Resolution....Republicans and Democrats alike....
Did Bush have them under some sort of magic spell that they passed the resolution ?

 

[Banned]

Are you saying that their democracy is WRONG? I thought democracy was good.

Well we did elect Bush. TWICE!

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Who is ignoring the facts now? It was the Brits who said the Americans were fixing the intel - and that is corroborated by our own intelligence as well as Powell's aide.

Your portrayal of Bush's as the "innocent bystander" Presidency is hilarious. Why, it didn't matter what poor Bush did - those Dems were out for blood and were going to shred him no matter what he decided on.

Forget all about the fact that Bush rushed the country into an unnecessary war, when the intel was uncertain and inspectors were being given unfettered access to all suspected weapons sites.

Keep your head in the sand. You will never wake up.

 

[Howey]

And poor Bravo didn't even have the guts to vote. He should be banned from this thread.

 

[NOVA]

Who believed we had WMD, only those who gave GWB and his cronies any creedence. BHO said he bevlieved GWB had not yet made the case.

Who believed he had WMD ?

Do you know anything about the dozens of UN resolution passed against Saddam ?

Do you know how many nations made up the coalition against Saddam ?

Who indeed....

Do you know that Clinton bombed the shit our of Iraq's troops in 1993 and again in 1998 ?

Who indeed.....

 

[Jarod]

Who believed he had WMD ?

Do you know anything about the dozens of UN resolution passed against Saddam ?

Do you know how many nations made up the coalition against Saddam ?

Who indeed....

Do you know that Clinton bombed the shit our of Iraq's troops in 1993 and again in 1998 ?

Who indeed.....

None of that means Saddam had WMD... Hell, Dixie still belvies it.


BHO dident belive it.

 

[NOVA]

Who is ignoring the facts now? It was the Brits who said the Americans were fixing the intel - and that is corroborated by our own intelligence as well as Powell's aide.

Your portrayal of Bush's as the "innocent bystander" Presidency is hilarious. Why, it didn't matter what poor Bush did - those Dems were out for blood and were going to shred him no matter what he decided on.

Forget all about the fact that Bush rushed the country into an unnecessary war, when the intel was uncertain and inspectors were being given unfettered access to all suspected weapons sites.

Keep your head in the sand. You will never wake up.

It was the Brits?....It was the opinion of one man,....maybe two.

Bush was no 'innocent bystander'.....(Obama is, the difference is obvious).....
and that is my opinion of what the media and Dems had in store for any Republican, not only Bush....again learn to read.

There was no rush.....he was in his 3rd year....there was congressional debate, hearings, and most important of all....A VOTE.

and like I already pointed out....WMD was not the only factor cited in the resolution to justify the use of military force against Iraq, try to keep up so I
don't have to point out the same facts over and over....

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

It was the Brits?....It was the opinion of one man,....maybe two.

Bush was no 'innocent bystander'.....(Obama is, the difference is obvious).....
and that is my opinion of what the media and Dems had in store for any Republican, not only Bush....again learn to read.

There was no rush.....he was in his 3rd year....there was congressional debate, hearings, and most important of all....A VOTE.

and like I already pointed out....WMD was not the only factor cited in the resolution to justify the use of military force against Iraq, try to keep up so I
don't have to point out the same facts over and over....

You'll discount anything that doesn't agree with your agenda of apologism.

As for WMD's, you know that was the excuse that was sold to the public. Paul Wolfowicz can admit that...why can't you?

Your apologism for Bush truly sickens me. Hold the man accountable for his actions & decisions. It will be liberating for you, and you won't have to twist your mind into circles trying to cover for him.

 

[NOVA]

None of that means Saddam had WMD... Hell, Dixie still belvies it.


BHO dident belive it.

Dixie and Obama don't matter ....

It isn't the point that he didn't have WMD

.....Congress believed otherwise....Bush believed otherwise....the UN believed otherwise.....an entire coalition of some
40 or more countrys believed it.....

you of all people should get the point, huh, counselor....?

 

[Banned]

We now have the Bush Doctrine.

Which is to invade a sovern nation based on what they may possibly do.
Kinda goes against US principles....