Do mentally healthy people commit mass murder?

[Bigdog]

OK. Are graphs too hard for you?

And the other site data I posted has completely different and much larger numbers. Why? So which site is telling the truth?

The one thing they both agree on is Super Lib, ultra anti gun 4ever Calif is number 1 for mass shootings.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/

It is your source. Didn't you bother to read it?
It clearly states that Ill has only had 4 mass shootings.

Great website. The link below proving most mass shootings are with handguns is there too:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

 

[ExpressLane]

Not that I ever heard of. Sane people do not do such things. The only people that do are crazy people and deep state operatives to my knowledge.

Evince is potentially a future mass murder.

 

[Rune]

Funny how the library's don't want to address this topic.

 

[Rune]

Funny how the libtards don't want to address this topic.

 

[Rune]

Funny how the library's don't want to address this topic.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Evince is potentially a future mass murder.

How many have you killed already through mistakes at work, ExLa?

How about the deaths associated with your support for specific politicians and political ideologies?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Evince is potentially a future mass murder.

How many have you killed already through mistakes at work, ExLa?

How about the deaths associated with your support for specific politicians and political ideologies?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

And the other site data I posted has completely different and much larger numbers. Why? So which site is telling the truth?

The one thing they both agree on is Super Lib, ultra anti gun 4ever Calif is number 1 for mass shootings.

I guess you are proving you don't know how to read and understand data.
Go look at the sites and actually read what is written there.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Great website. The link below proving most mass shootings are with handguns is there too:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

"In fact, semi-automatic rifles were featured in four of the five deadliest mass shootings, being used in the Orlando nightclub massacre, Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and Texas First Baptist Church massacre. "

Handguns may be used more often but rifles are more deadly when it comes to mass shootings.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

"In fact, semi-automatic rifles were featured in four of the five deadliest mass shootings, being used in the Orlando nightclub massacre, Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and Texas First Baptist Church massacre. "

Handguns may be used more often but rifles are more deadly when it comes to mass shootings.

True. Do you see the inequity of banning something from innocent, law-biding American citizens for the actions of a few? Every single one of those mass shooters with an AR was/is a nutjob. Notice that every single one of them is either dead or tried to commit suicide.

No sane person commits mass murder much less have suicide as their final act on Earth. So what is the real problem here? Guns or a nation which doesn't give a shit about mental illness?

 

[Bigdog]

I guess you are proving you don't know how to read and understand data.
Go look at the sites and actually read what is written there.

I posted links to two sources with wildly different numbers to demonstrate the disparity in counting. I see you can't address that disparity.

Ultra lib Calif is still number 1 in mass shootings.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I posted links to two sources with wildly different numbers to demonstrate the disparity in counting. I see you can't address that disparity.

Ultra lib Calif is still number 1 in mass shootings.

My guess is that, like Chicago, it's due to the fact they can't fix their gang-banger problem. There's no gang-bangers around where I live yet the Gun Grabbers still want to apply their One-Size-Fits-All solution to social controls.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I posted links to two sources with wildly different numbers to demonstrate the disparity in counting. I see you can't address that disparity.

Ultra lib Calif is still number 1 in mass shootings.

The disparity is explained in the description of the data sources. Something you clearly are incapable of understanding.
Your first source only lists mass shootings from 2013- August of 2019. It defines a mass shooting as any one incident in which 4 or more people were killed or injured. The article's title doesn't reflect what the actual data is.
Your second source lists mass murders from guns from 1982-May 2022. It defines a mass shooting as any incident in which 4 or more people were killed. They don't reveal where the data came from and who collected it. (Interesting that the Texas numbers haven't gone up since the shooting of five members of the family in Texas.)

A search of mass shootings from 1982-2022 reveals the data Statista is using is the database compiled by Mother Jones. It can be found here:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

My guess is that, like Chicago, it's due to the fact they can't fix their gang-banger problem. There's no gang-bangers around where I live yet the Gun Grabbers still want to apply their One-Size-Fits-All solution to social controls.

The data from Mother Jones doesn't include criminal shootings but only random public shootings.

There were 25 mass shootings where 10 or more people died.
Of those 14 included rifles that would have been banned under the assault weapons ban.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The data from Mother Jones doesn't include criminal shootings but only random public shootings.

There were 25 mass shootings where 10 or more people died.
Of those 14 included rifles that would have been banned under the assault weapons ban.

There's also the Copycat effect from social media. Don't you find it odd that Kyle Rittenhouse was recorded during his shootings? That Payton Gendron streamed his? Salvador Ramos telegraphed his through social media. Actual threats.

Banning guns is not the solution. Restricting rights so only the rich can afford "rights" is not the solution. Identifying these people and getting them the help they need is not on the table for either major party. It's just an addendum. A nice idea which is never funded.

 

[Rune]

True. Do you see the inequity of banning something from innocent, law-biding American citizens for the actions of a few? Every single one of those mass shooters with an AR was/is a nutjob. Notice that every single one of them is either dead or tried to commit suicide.

No sane person commits mass murder much less have suicide as their final act on Earth. So what is the real problem here? Guns or a nation which doesn't give a shit about mental illness?

Well stated Sir.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

There's also the Copycat effect from social media. Don't you find it odd that Kyle Rittenhouse was recorded during his shootings? That Payton Gendron streamed his? Salvador Ramos telegraphed his through social media. Actual threats.

Banning guns is not the solution. Restricting rights so only the rich can afford "rights" is not the solution. Identifying these people and getting them the help they need is not on the table for either major party. It's just an addendum. A nice idea which is never funded.

The data from Mother Jones is quite interesting since it includes a lot of different things.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
Only 64 of the 129 mass shooters had any indication of a mental issue before they committed their crimes. And that is just an indication, it isn't even a real diagnosis of a threat.

This is the mental health indication for James Huberty - The day before the shooting, he tried to make an appointment at a mental health clinic.

For Amid Alissi - Brother described him as paranoid; multiple accounts of anger issues from others who knew him. Misdemeanor criminal record for a violent assault during his senior year in high school.

Richard Hawkins - He had been treated in the past for depression and ADHD.

Terry Ratzmann -Neighbors said he suffered from depression and had a drinking problem.

Are you suggesting we take away the guns from anyone described as paranoid, depressed, with a drinking problem or with ADHD? Or should we be forcing anyone with those problems to seek medical care?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

There's also the Copycat effect from social media. Don't you find it odd that Kyle Rittenhouse was recorded during his shootings? That Payton Gendron streamed his? Salvador Ramos telegraphed his through social media. Actual threats.

Banning guns is not the solution. Restricting rights so only the rich can afford "rights" is not the solution. Identifying these people and getting them the help they need is not on the table for either major party. It's just an addendum. A nice idea which is never funded.

Assault weapons make mass shootings much more deadly and it appears it may make them more likely.

From 1982-1994 there were 156 people killed in mass shootings. 19 shootings
During the 10 years that the assault weapon ban was in place, 1994-2004 there were 101 people killed in mass shootings. - 16 shootings
In the 18 years since the assault weapons ban expired, 782 people have died in mass shootings. - 94 shootings

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The data from Mother Jones is quite interesting since it includes a lot of different things.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
Only 64 of the 129 mass shooters had any indication of a mental issue before they committed their crimes. And that is just an indication, it isn't even a real diagnosis of a threat.

This is the mental health indication for James Huberty - The day before the shooting, he tried to make an appointment at a mental health clinic.

For Amid Alissi - Brother described him as paranoid; multiple accounts of anger issues from others who knew him. Misdemeanor criminal record for a violent assault during his senior year in high school.

Richard Hawkins - He had been treated in the past for depression and ADHD.

Terry Ratzmann -Neighbors said he suffered from depression and had a drinking problem.

Are you suggesting we take away the guns from anyone described as paranoid, depressed, with a drinking problem or with ADHD? Or should we be forcing anyone with those problems to seek medical care?

Thanks for the reference. Singling people out without cause is wrong and often abused in the hands of government.

IMO, the problem is that, unlike annual physicals, there's no such thing as an annual or biannual psych evals in America...unless a court orders one. The "no indication" in your link falls under the adage "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Common sense asks the question: "What rational person commits mass murder then plans to take their own life?" Suicide-by-cop is still suicide.

If all Americans treated psych evals like physicals they should also expect the same enthusiasm in their treatment by their medical coverage as with physicals. That costs money and the question in DC is always "Who picks up the tab?" A simple screening process is simple computer based testing. The main thing with such psych testing is looking for patterns, trends. Not just how good or bad they feel that particular day.

That said, in a just system, people are treated as innocent until proven guilty. Everyone knows cancer is best treated if identified early. PTSD is more easily prevented than cured. Mental illness often varies between conditions that can be easily cured or best treated early. It would be part of their medical coverage.

More research on treatments would be good too. Instead the knuckleheads on Washington keep singing the same old songs about their solutions; either remove rights or do nothing.