Do Cons belive its time to take up arms?

[KingCondanomation]

i doubt that even they are that stupid

besides, do they expect that the u s of a forces will rise up with them against the government...there is that little thing called a constitution that they swore to uphold - i doubt that they could even muster enough people to take on a battalion of regular army let alone marines

however, if they formed pockets of resistance, martial law could be declared and either the local national guard or a couple of reinforced companies would cause them to surrender

You mean the same national guard that is made up of Conservatives? Have you ever met any of them?

Realistically I don't think there is some massive revolution coming but there WILL be some people who will react to protect their rights and the further you go down the road of Socialism the more that number will increase. It doesn't take many to make an impact these days.

 

[WinterBorn]

while i am not a liberal, i am a social progressive...and armed and will shoot back if shot at or someone violates the no trespassing signs...

oh well

ps what do you armed insurrectionists expect the regular, reserve and national guard armed forces of the u s of a to do while you are out shooting at people

I don't think the military will be as effective as people think.

The reservists and national guard are largely people who will probably be involved in a revolution. Yes, they are patriots. But they are also far more likely to be conservatives. They have also sworn an oath to protect the US Constitution. It wouldn't take much to convince them that they should serve the constitution by rebelling against a federal gov't that has over-stepped its bounds.

The regular military is going to be better at it, but I would expect large numbers of its members to refuse to fight, and a significant number to sabotage the efforts to put down the rebellion.

 

[KingCondanomation]

I don't think the military will be as effective as people think.

The reservists and national guard are largely people who will probably be involved in a revolution. Yes, they are patriots. But they are also far more likely to be conservatives. They have also sworn an oath to protect the US Constitution. It wouldn't take much to convince them that they should serve the constitution by rebelling against a federal gov't that has over-stepped its bounds.

The regular military is going to be better at it, but I would expect large numbers of its members to refuse to fight, and a significant number to sabotage the efforts to put down the rebellion.

Some wise observations here, I'd also chip in that with the Iraq war being especially unpopular to the left, the already expected low numbers of lefties in the military would be even lower.

 

[WinterBorn]

Some wise observations here, I'd also chip in that with the Iraq war being especially unpopular to the left, the already expected low numbers of lefties in the military would be even lower.

Another thing to consider is the unfettered access to information on guerilla tactics, improvised munitions & explosives, weapons manufacturing & modofication, and other helpful stuff.

The only answer to that would be limiting the public's access to information. I can't see that going over well for any administration.

Also, it would be good to remember that there are around 15 million hunters in the US. A large number of those would be able to be good snipers. Most can hit a man-sized target at a few hundred yards, and all are capable of hiding from wild animals.

 

[Socrtease]

Let me tell you little Socialist punks something... If you think America is going to sit back and let the chicanery that's happening in Washington continue unabated, you've got another thing coming. People are MAD... MAD AS HELL over this, and the continued attitude of this Congress, and it's arrogant assumption that it doesn't have to listen to the people who elected it! You want to violate the Constitutional rights of half of America or more, and think you can pull that off, you fucking go for it punk! You'll be put down like the rabid animals you are, if that is the case!

There are a LOT of people out here, FED UP! Disgusted with YOU and your partisan political bullshit! We are growing sick and tired of being called "TEABAGGERS" and denigrated personally for believing in God or owning a Gun or Pickup truck! Mostly, we are sick of you trying to seize control of power to implement outright Marxist Socialism on America against their will! Americans will not stand for this shit! I promise you that! I am not going to tell you when that time is coming, you will know a second after the bullet penetrates your empty skull! But this country is nearing that tipping point, and you fuckwits better either realize that or get your affairs in order.

If this is true, and it may be, it will be the cause of the downfall of America. The UN security Council will intevene, troops would be sent to help the US government regain control, and they would never leave. If you decide to take up arms against this country you better be sure you have more supporters than the Framers did. When the framers committed their treason, they did it to a mother country with troops across an ocean and only the wind to bring them here. The reaction would be strong, some units of the military would not take up arms against a revolting citizenry, and that would help, but our country now has weapons that require remote control. Those pilots will be threatened with their lives and Predators will rain hellfire down on you. You will die for country, but if you do not have a LARGE group of americans supporting you you will be remembered as traitors, and using the very patriot act you so ardently supported when in conservative hands, if caught, you will never see a lawyer, you will never get due process and you will be killed.

 

[Socrtease]

regular military isn't going to do anything for the moment. reserve units (those not stationed abroad in the wars) are going to see to their families and avoid any attempt at being called. national guard units are going to be forced with a choice of having to shoot at american citizens and be shot back at or disappearing.

we have no fear of the american military. the federal government is going to ensure its own safety first and foremost. the collaborators (thats you) are going to be left to your own defense. hows that make you feel?

Reservists will be sent to places of revolt where they have no roots, California based reservists will be sent to southern states and vice versa. The lesson learned from Tian'anmen Square, the Chinese used troops not from the Beijing area to put down the unrest. Active duty troops from the Rangers and Recon will be used because they are very adept at taking orders. Break down in the military ranks may not come fast enough. The problem is, those of you with your guns think that with enough of you you can win. The US defeated an army with tanks, missles, artillery etc. The home grown resister is not going to be that hard to defeat. It's why I say you have to have support in huge numbers, much greater than 30%, or the revolt will fail.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Reservists will be sent to places of revolt where they have no roots, California based reservists will be sent to southern states and vice versa. The lesson learned from Tian'anmen Square, the Chinese used troops not from the Beijing area to put down the unrest. Active duty troops from the Rangers and Recon will be used because they are very adept at taking orders. Break down in the military ranks may not come fast enough. The problem is, those of you with your guns think that with enough of you you can win. The US defeated an army with tanks, missles, artillery etc. The home grown resister is not going to be that hard to defeat. It's why I say you have to have support in huge numbers, much greater than 30%, or the revolt will fail.

it may very well fail, but what most people seem to be oblivious about is the '3%ers' are not going to assemble in units and attack the military. They will go after the very heart of the usurpers and their families. husbands, wives, children, grandchildren, cousins, aunts, and uncles all. Nobody of any close relation to those who chose to ignore and circumvent the supreme law of the land will be safe, for if the usurpers choose to disregard the law, so can we. And it will not be just those in the government bodies or agencies at risk. It will be every civilian collaborator that can be found. Those of us who knowingly accept the risks of our lives in defense of the ideals of this country will have no remorse about those that are eliminated or become casualties of war. Those 'outsourced' military units will also have to fear the same actions. With the availability of communications today, it will not be so very difficult to garner the information needed to do the same to them and theirs.
It will also be of import to remember that we will adopt the Clinton rules of engagement as well. It will be an almost certainty that the liberal media will do everything in its power to broad stroke the revolters as homicidal and suicidal nutcases bent on killing anyone and everyone they can, so we will pursue those outlets for our own usage. Resistance will be harshly dealt with.

As you say, it will be the end of America as we know it. We can only hope that the outcome brings about a restoration.

 

[WinterBorn]

Reservists will be sent to places of revolt where they have no roots, California based reservists will be sent to southern states and vice versa. The lesson learned from Tian'anmen Square, the Chinese used troops not from the Beijing area to put down the unrest. Active duty troops from the Rangers and Recon will be used because they are very adept at taking orders. Break down in the military ranks may not come fast enough. The problem is, those of you with your guns think that with enough of you you can win. The US defeated an army with tanks, missles, artillery etc. The home grown resister is not going to be that hard to defeat. It's why I say you have to have support in huge numbers, much greater than 30%, or the revolt will fail.

The problem the US Gov't will have is that there will be no central army to attack. Yes, the US military has an excellent record against standing armies. But Iraq, Afganistan, and Vietnam exposed a serious weakness against guerilla forces.

And as far as raining down on revolutionaries from Predator drones, the rebels will be mixed in with the innocent population. If you think there was a huge backlash from killing civilians in Iraq, wait until its an american family or social event that gets bombed.

 

[KingCondanomation]

it may very well fail, but what most people seem to be oblivious about is the '3%ers' are not going to assemble in units and attack the military. They will go after the very heart of the usurpers and their families. husbands, wives, children, grandchildren, cousins, aunts, and uncles all. Nobody of any close relation to those who chose to ignore and circumvent the supreme law of the land will be safe, for if the usurpers choose to disregard the law, so can we. And it will not be just those in the government bodies or agencies at risk. It will be every civilian collaborator that can be found. Those of us who knowingly accept the risks of our lives in defense of the ideals of this country will have no remorse about those that are eliminated or become casualties of war. Those 'outsourced' military units will also have to fear the same actions. With the availability of communications today, it will not be so very difficult to garner the information needed to do the same to them and theirs.
It will also be of import to remember that we will adopt the Clinton rules of engagement as well. It will be an almost certainty that the liberal media will do everything in its power to broad stroke the revolters as homicidal and suicidal nutcases bent on killing anyone and everyone they can, so we will pursue those outlets for our own usage. Resistance will be harshly dealt with.

As you say, it will be the end of America as we know it. We can only hope that the outcome brings about a restoration.

Man I agree with you on most stuff but this is nuts. I would always be against attacking anyone's family, innocent kids who have no clue, relatives who may well disagree with them and agree with you, keep it to being against those who are DIRECTLY responsible.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Man I agree with you on most stuff but this is nuts. I would always be against attacking anyone's family, innocent kids who have no clue, relatives who may well disagree with them and agree with you, keep it to being against those who are DIRECTLY responsible.

regrettable as it is, this would have to be essential in the attempt at restoration. Those DIRECTLY responsible will be well protected by thousand upon thousands of armed and armored units. There would be no way to get at those DIRECTLY responsible without the actions I've suggested. A very unfortunate position for all involved.

 

[DamnYankee]

I suspect lots of folks will turn their property off to relatives then refuse to comply with buying government insurance. Club Fed will be so overcrowded the government won't be able to avoid the embarrassment, and the bums that made this mess will all be voted out.

That and some far off 50 caliber sniper rifles taking out some key targets.

 

[Socrtease]

Man I agree with you on most stuff but this is nuts. I would always be against attacking anyone's family, innocent kids who have no clue, relatives who may well disagree with them and agree with you, keep it to being against those who are DIRECTLY responsible.

Hmmmm interesting isn't Dano. That when it comes to the US, the "Promise Keepers" are going to resort to IRA style terrorism. Killing children, mothers, grandmothers. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Even in the USA.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Hmmmm interesting isn't Dano. That when it comes to the US, the "Promise Keepers" are going to resort to IRA style terrorism. Killing children, mothers, grandmothers. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Even in the USA.

Soc, in your post about numbers, you have to agree that that route isn't even remotely possible. Any attempt at grouping enough people of like mindedness together for a sizable unit is going to be surrounded, arrested, or eliminated by the government enforcement thugs. On this we can agree?

 

[Socrtease]

Soc, in your post about numbers, you have to agree that that route isn't even remotely possible. Any attempt at grouping enough people of like mindedness together for a sizable unit is going to be surrounded, arrested, or eliminated by the government enforcement thugs. On this we can agree?

Absolutely.

 

[theMAJORITY]

I can see a lot of people getting very frustrated when they feel their freedom being taken away from them. Lets face it, some people understand freedom, and some people don't. Great and Grand parents tend to understand it, who moved here for opportunity, their great and grand childrend tend not to. The people who do understasnd it, and cherish it, and thought it was promised to them by their old school learnings about the USA can become very frustrated--and yes--possibly take up arms. To them, it is considered self defense, but with a lack of understanding of what happened (the progressive movement to change the American mind), and frustrated, you can end up with people like that guy in the small plane who flew his plane into a IRS building a few weeks ago, or even some nut that goes into a coffee house and opens fire. What these frustrated people do not realize is the real enemy---progressives. And the only way to beat progressives is politically (they just go under ground for a few decades, change their name, while trying to throw a few more monkey wrenches in the Capatsalist sociaties to help them fail. Then they step up and say we need to fundamentally change the USA. It happened with the Nazi party in the 30's, and it is happening (under a new name and tactics) now. After we beat them politically---we give our Constitution to any nations people who want it, and tell them to go for it.

All we need to do is remember who we are, and we may even get our nation back more than I have ever experienced in our lives. I almost have to thank obama for waking up the American people. McCain would havce just been one more incriment left---and nobody would have noticed like they do today---only one year later.


I am frustrated that we allowed ourselves to be educated with progressive idologies, but I understand it. It seems like global human nature to me. What ever nation has the most free population and prosperity, must be attacked by every nation in the world to some degree. Be it politically, economically, or with terror. The reason is really simple. Our freedom threatens other leaders power over their own people.

I see clearly that we went to different schools growing up. I learned from tough individuals who taught us how to get our opportunity in the USA, and told us we were the only nation that does it so well. We were taught how important it was not to give up, because you had just as much chance as the next guy. It quickly created the most prosperious poeple in the world---it had to be destroyed--is the world view. A poll was taken in Europe during the election---56% of people on the street wanted to see a weeker America, but now---they don't want us to fail. They were taught to attack America a bit--and some still fall for it. So, they are learning---because they are still broke with less opportunity---and they are learning may be faster than most of you folks.


To take up arms is as exrtreme as it gets. Try to understand the passion a individual or group of people must have for their freedom, if they are willing to put their lives on the line (and they will probably die for it). You can see it in the news. People in Iran, dieing in the streets for more freedom. There is probably 10 nations in the world at any given time, with people dieing for more freedom.

It is scary---we are exceptional---but not that exceptional. Human nature of having freedom or not seems to travel in cycles of as little as a decade.

I don't think anybody wants a civil war here in the USA---I don't. We just have to wise up and realize when we are being taken advantage of by our own leaders, and we will vote them out.

Why? Because we will be hurting economically even worse than now--and we know we can do better---because we did it before.

I would not make the mistake to think that if things get really rough economically (for us--not the stocks--big difference) that some people robbing from people who have stuff is not going to drastically increase---probably in gang form, who know nothing about politics.

I love my liberal American brothers and sisters---they are just confused IMO. They will snap out of it when they are broke after working so hard for 25 or more years, wishing they could have a spread of land like their great grand parents (or even parents) did. So I want to help you liberals help yourself. (I know--it is a hard concept for you---but if your as smart as you think--I know you can make it work better for you than anybody else can in the USA.) Here is what you should do---just in case things get bad---and some thug trys to break into your home. Go to your local gun shop, and ask them about taking classes for a conceled hand gun permit. They(the NRA) will take you through classes that ate very very well structured. Thay are as well or better structrued than and 400 level engineering class I have ever taken, including legal advise and psychological advise to help you find out for yourself (most liberals don't know) if you are responsible enough to own a gun.

We know guns are not for everybody. You have to be a responsible individual to get the benifit---with out any poor reprocussions. That means training, and regular shooting, and a clear mind (the tough part for liberals) I took the classes, and bought a few guns (now I hope to have time to take up skeet shooting---some of those guys/gals have some extreme talent--and I might like a shot at that someday), and I have one ready to go for my protection.

The only way I will take out my gun on a human being, is to protect myself from immidate bodily harm---but I can see half the old school nation doing it, and Constitutionally legal, to protect our freedoms from a government. By the way---that is the #1 reason for our second admendment---because our founding fathers knew how human nature power works in big governments. Pets are not allowed to have guns---now roll over.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Hmmmm interesting isn't Dano. That when it comes to the US, the "Promise Keepers" are going to resort to IRA style terrorism. Killing children, mothers, grandmothers. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Even in the USA.

I don't think any of them would really go anywhere close to that far, almost all of us has a relative who supports this, so that kind of rhetoric isn't really thinking the words through.
Besides which, this would always be a battle for public opinion and the side that started killing anyone innocent would lose nearly all support.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

If this is true, and it may be, it will be the cause of the downfall of America. The UN security Council will intevene, troops would be sent to help the US government regain control, and they would never leave. If you decide to take up arms against this country you better be sure you have more supporters than the Framers did. When the framers committed their treason, they did it to a mother country with troops across an ocean and only the wind to bring them here. The reaction would be strong, some units of the military would not take up arms against a revolting citizenry, and that would help, but our country now has weapons that require remote control. Those pilots will be threatened with their lives and Predators will rain hellfire down on you. You will die for country, but if you do not have a LARGE group of americans supporting you you will be remembered as traitors, and using the very patriot act you so ardently supported when in conservative hands, if caught, you will never see a lawyer, you will never get due process and you will be killed.

If the UN intercedes; will those troops be wearing those blue helmiets that stand out so well and will they give them ammunition this time, or will they just issue them rifles and tell them to look mean??

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Reservists will be sent to places of revolt where they have no roots, California based reservists will be sent to southern states and vice versa. The lesson learned from Tian'anmen Square, the Chinese used troops not from the Beijing area to put down the unrest. Active duty troops from the Rangers and Recon will be used because they are very adept at taking orders. Break down in the military ranks may not come fast enough. The problem is, those of you with your guns think that with enough of you you can win. The US defeated an army with tanks, missles, artillery etc. The home grown resister is not going to be that hard to defeat. It's why I say you have to have support in huge numbers, much greater than 30%, or the revolt will fail.

I don't think the Chinese method will work in the US; because of two reasons.
1. Our society is much more mobile and there are a lot of people that are related to those that live somewhere, other then where they do.
2. I still hold to the belief that unlike other countries; Americans do have an underlying connection, that we are ONE COUNTRY and not 50 little areas.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Reading this post made me think of something that no one else has discussed.

If revolt were to occur, the Government would have to classify anyone captured as a POW, read them their rights, assign them a lawyer, and conduct a trial by their peers.

You can thank the Liberals for this.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I don't think any of them would really go anywhere close to that far, almost all of us has a relative who supports this, so that kind of rhetoric isn't really thinking the words through.
Besides which, this would always be a battle for public opinion and the side that started killing anyone innocent would lose nearly all support.

Dano, what you're not taking in to account is that those who have actively started participating in the gun fire are going to feel like they have nothing left to lose and everything to gain. That makes for a very deadly combination.