Dixie, who do you predict will win in November?

And why didn't Truman enact Universal healthcare, if he supported it?

Because congress refused to pass it. It was part of his "fair deal".

Truman was SO conservative, he was loathed by the Democrats and put in the VP spot to get him out of the way! He nearly lost re-election, he was so Conservative. When he pissed, it formed the word "conservative" in the toilet before he flushed it! His policies were as Conservative as any by today's standards, you can live in a fantasyland all you like, say hello to the bear for me.

Uhmmm yeah.

His most conservative act was probably integrating the military, because we all know that conservatives loved integrating things back then, and it was southern liberals who held them back.
 
FDR and Truman were a lot more liberal than Clinton. Jimmy Carter was more liberal than Clinton.

You live in a fantasyland where Americans hate freedoms and want our economy to die. They don't. And that's conservatism.

Dixie doesn't know what he's talking about Water. Clinton was a moderate and sometimes right of center and a few times left of center. The reason southern reactionaries like Dixie villify Clinton is that they view him as an apostate. That is a southern non-conservative who co-opted some of their agenda very affectively and it is for this reason that they hate him. Not because he was a liberal because by any "OBJECTIVE" measure Clinton was a moderate.

You notice that their passionate hate for Clinton is much more virulent then it is for liberal like Obama.
 
Nixon a Moderate? LMFAO... No, Nixon was a Conservative. Also, by today's standards, Lincoln, TR, and Eisenhower would all be considered Conservative.
You don't know what you're talking about. Nixon founded the EPA, OSHA and much of the modern regulatory ERA. He signed the SALT II Treaty and opened relations with Communist China against the wish of his own party and was certainly a moderate, right of center Republican.

I can differentiate between a Social Conservative and a RINO.

You've been wrong about everything else, why should I believe that?

Thanks, coming from a commie socialist, that is a compliment!

Dixie, anything to the left of Mussolini or Attalla the Hun is a commie socialist to you, but coming from a brown shirted, jack booted, brown-shirted, swastika waving Nazi like you, I'll take that as a compliment.

Well of course, we have two Liberals running against each other! I guess you are excited!
Since your a far right wing reactionary you wouldn't know a liberal if he communisted your manifesto! We have a traditional conservative Republican and a left of center Democrat. You keep confusing conservatives with right wing reactionaries like Goldwater, W and Pat Robertson.

...Which apparently hasn't been very much.

He's accomplished a hell of a lot more than W ever did but let's be honest. That aint saying a hell of a lot is it?

He's proven he will kiss Liberal ass if it will get him some airtime.

That or he understands that the overwhelming majority of Americans are sick and tired of partisan and incompetent reactionary wingnuts. Right now McCain is the savior of the Republican party cause this party has gone so far over the edge of extremism that without a true leader like McCain it is a party that will die. McCain is the Republican party's best hope of not becoming an irrelevant minority party for generations to come.

I remind you of who won the bet on the last presidential election, and where in the fuck is my beer, btw???


OK, you got me there motherfucker. It's the only damned thing you've been right about and keep your eye on the mailbox, the beer is in the mail! LOL
 
LMAO.... Southern Liberals? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You're kiddin me, right???

Who exactly were these Southern Liberals? The Republicans???

Dixie, your history sucks. The South was the birthplace of American liberalism, from Jefferson to Jackson to Wilson (a wannabee from SoCal). Southern Populism is not, nor has it ever been, conservative. It opposed free market capitalism, republican moral principles and principles of government, free trade, and so forth.

The South was the biggest support base for the New Deal and the Fair Deal, which came out of very liberal presidents FDR and Truman. Truman's Cold War policy was strongly opposed by conservatives such as Robert Taft and Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.

As the Democratic Party embraced New Left politics, the South entertained Republicans such as Goldwater, Nixon, and finally Reagan. Reagan himself, a former Democrat, never practiced populism as president that Southerners claim he represents. One can see that he tried it as governor and learned from many of the mistakes he made then. For example, populists have repeatedly broken Reagan's 11th Commandment of not attacking your primary season opponents, and they have defended Reagan's presidency while slamming McCain for more moderate parallels such as Immigration (interestingly, they are silent about Bush's support of the same piece of legislation, just as when he signed McCain-Feingold into law).

The fact is, the GOP had always been the conservative party since 1854, but that seems to be changing since 1992. I think its obvious that the difference is that Southerners used to collectively hate the party of Lincoln, and now they dominate it from within. Further proof that the most disastrous decision the GOP ever made in the long-run was to preserve the Union.
 
Dixie doesn't know what he's talking about Water. Clinton was a moderate and sometimes right of center and a few times left of center. The reason southern reactionaries like Dixie villify Clinton is that they view him as an apostate. That is a southern non-conservative who co-opted some of their agenda very affectively and it is for this reason that they hate him. Not because he was a liberal because by any "OBJECTIVE" measure Clinton was a moderate.

You notice that their passionate hate for Clinton is much more virulent then it is for liberal like Obama.

I agree Clinton was a Moderate, I said he was the closest thing to a Liberal we've ever elected president, and that is just a fact. You can't compare distant past 'Liberals' to the Liberalism of today, back then it would have been defined as the United Socialist Party. They had candidates on the ballot, but none ever came close to being elected president.

We live in a predominately conservative country, which is why even a devout Liberal like Obama is making speeches Reagan would applaud! You guys have just drank so much Liberal koolaid, it has caused you to be delusional and think the country thinks like you. Trust me, you are in the minority, just as you have always been.
 
I agree Clinton was a Moderate, I said he was the closest thing to a Liberal we've ever elected president, and that is just a fact. You can't compare distant past 'Liberals' to the Liberalism of today, back then it would have been defined as the United Socialist Party. They had candidates on the ballot, but none ever came close to being elected president.

We live in a predominately conservative country, which is why even a devout Liberal like Obama is making speeches Reagan would applaud! You guys have just drank so much Liberal koolaid, it has caused you to be delusional and think the country thinks like you. Trust me, you are in the minority, just as you have always been.

LOL.

Dixie, the rest of America isn't like Alabama. Your state may think like a hive-mind of ignorance but I assure you the rest of America doesn't.
 
Dixie, your history sucks. The South was the birthplace of American liberalism, from Jefferson to Jackson to Wilson (a wannabee from SoCal). Southern Populism is not, nor has it ever been, conservative. It opposed free market capitalism, republican moral principles and principles of government, free trade, and so forth.

The South was the biggest support base for the New Deal and the Fair Deal, which came out of very liberal presidents FDR and Truman. Truman's Cold War policy was strongly opposed by conservatives such as Robert Taft and Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.

As the Democratic Party embraced New Left politics, the South entertained Republicans such as Goldwater, Nixon, and finally Reagan. Reagan himself, a former Democrat, never practiced populism as president that Southerners claim he represents. One can see that he tried it as governor and learned from many of the mistakes he made then. For example, populists have repeatedly broken Reagan's 11th Commandment of not attacking your primary season opponents, and they have defended Reagan's presidency while slamming McCain for more moderate parallels such as Immigration (interestingly, they are silent about Bush's support of the same piece of legislation, just as when he signed McCain-Feingold into law).

The fact is, the GOP had always been the conservative party since 1854, but that seems to be changing since 1992. I think its obvious that the difference is that Southerners used to collectively hate the party of Lincoln, and now they dominate it from within. Further proof that the most disastrous decision the GOP ever made in the long-run was to preserve the Union.

Threedee, this is just as retarded a spin on history as Dixie is trying to put out.

BTW, in the 1800's by far the biggest supporters of free trade were southerners. Ever heard of the nullification crisis?
 
While the south was certainly a supporter of the new deal, how they supported it certainly couldn't have been called "liberal". You can't oppress blacks and call yourself a liberal in the same instance. It's directly opposed to liberalism to hate equality.

The fact is, that "liberalism" as a philosophy DIDN'T exist in America in the 1800's. It was primarily a European philosophy. Even that philosophy split up between the conservative liberals and the social liberals. The social liberals pretty much fell into nothing once the working class started voting for the social democrats, but American liberalism is much like it. It's "freedom plus groceries".
 
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As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. The most liberal Americans in the 19th Century were slaveholders (like Jefferson and Jackson) or supporters of slavery (like Douglass, Pierce, Buchanan, etc.).

And its not as if modern liberals support Natural Rights any better. They attack the hell out of property rights and gun ownership, and they kill babies by the masses.

Furthermore, if you ever read Southern attacks on the North, they attack it for its free market values - merchants, industrialists, factories, etc. Hammond even defended slavery by arguing that Northern factory workers were slaves just as much as Southern blacks, satirically asking why the North didn't just go ahead and slap the chains on them.

This was the core of the argument over Western Lands. Northerners invisioned a White Man's Land for former factory workers to move to when they had saved up enough money, where they could live out the rest of their lives in dignity. This world view was threatened by the "expand or die" theory of slavery held by Southerners.
 
This was the core of the argument over Western Lands. Northerners invisioned a White Man's Land for former factory workers to move to when they had saved up enough money, where they could live out the rest of their lives in dignity. This world view was threatened by the "expand or die" theory of slavery held by Southerners.

IN THE 1800'S?!!!?1?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! LAND FOR FORMER FACTORY WORKERS?!1?/1!? LOL!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Was that before or after they died from the black lung at 30 after spending their entire adult lives working 18 hour a day shifts at a cent a day? How many of those cents does it take to build a log cabin? I betcha it took a bunch.

GOD YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD JOKER THREEDEE!
 
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Threedee lives in a delusional world where conservatives are actually liberals.

Dixie lives in a delusional world where everyone's a conservative.

I guess conservatards have to justify their enslavement of man and hatred of freedom somehow.
 
Threedee lives in a delusional world where conservatives are actually liberals.

Dixie lives in a delusional world where everyone's a conservative.

I guess conservatards have to justify their enslavement of man and hatred of freedom somehow.

We live in a predominately conservative country, which is why even a devout Liberal like Obama is making speeches Reagan would applaud! You guys have just drank so much Liberal koolaid, it has caused you to be delusional and think the country thinks like you. Trust me, you are in the minority, just as you have always been.

Why don't you just shut the fuck up if all you can do is spew lies? I never said everyone was a conservative! Pay attention to me, and not the pink care bear, Waterhead! The majority of this country IS INDEED Conservative, and identify with Conservative values. This is why you see Democrat candidates "run to the middle" in the general elections, they don't stand a chance in hell sounding like a flaming left-wing liberal, because MOST of America is NOT Liberal like you, and do not think or feel like you... THANK GOD!
 
Liberal v. conservative is a matter of degree.

Where is the deviding line between the two. To claim we live in a Liberal or Conservative nation is silly. Thats all about perspective. Sure compared to Sweeden, we live in a Conservative nation. Compared to Afganistan or Iran, we live in a very liberal nation.
 
Dixie, every candidate "runs to the middle" for a general election. Know what that means? The country is predominately "middle."

Dumb.
 
Dixie, every candidate "runs to the middle" for a general election. Know what that means? The country is predominately "middle."

Dumb.

Reagan didn't. Know what that means? This country is predominately Conservative. Democrats are the only ones I have ever seen "run to the middle" ...they do it every election. To me, it simply means you are betraying your principles to garner votes. Talking out of both sides of your mouth, saying one thing in the primaries and then changing it for the general. It works for democrats because your base is stupid, and the fence-sitters you are trying to court, are even more stupid. True conservatives don't "run to the middle" they don't have to or need to, and would probably lose if they did.
 
Liberal v. conservative is a matter of degree.

Where is the deviding line between the two. To claim we live in a Liberal or Conservative nation is silly. Thats all about perspective. Sure compared to Sweeden, we live in a Conservative nation. Compared to Afganistan or Iran, we live in a very liberal nation.

Jarhead, I know the word is difficult for your limited education, but I clearly used the word "predominately" in my comments, and never stated that the country was all Conservative. Is it even possible for pinheads to post without telling a lie or misrepresenting something I've said? I wonder!
 
Jarhead, I know the word is difficult for your limited education, but I clearly used the word "predominately" in my comments, and never stated that the country was all Conservative. Is it even possible for pinheads to post without telling a lie or misrepresenting something I've said? I wonder!

The word Predominately does not change my position, in fact it illistrates that you do not know understand shit.

To say the nation is predominately one thing or another is silly in this context. This is all about a matter of degree and how conservative we are. If you say America is predominately conservative compared to ???. Then you are saying something, and giving context to the claim. To merely say America is predominately conservative means nuthing, conservative compared to what?

Americans predominately work long hours really means nuthing unless you give it context. Compared to French people (correct)... or compared to Japanese people (false)?

Americans are predominatly conservative? Compared to Sweedish people, (yes) compared to Middle Easterners. (NO)!
 
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