Dividerf starts his first trade war w/ allies in Canada.

Bill

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All these great deals~:palm:


MONTREAL/BELFAST (Reuters) - Stiff U.S. duties imposed on Bombardier Inc’s (BBDb.TO) CSeries jet sparked retaliation threats from Britain and Canada’s Quebec province on Wednesday as the dispute, which may affect thousands of jobs, overshadowed North American trade talks.

The U.S. Commerce Department on Tuesday slapped preliminary anti-subsidy duties of 220 percent on the jets, which could effectively shut Bombardier out of the U.S. market if upheld, after rival Boeing Co (BA.N) launched a trade challenge accusing Canada of unfairly subsidizing the aircraft.

The topic loomed large at North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) talks in Ottawa where the countries acknowledged relations between Washington and Ottawa had become strained over the U.S. action.

Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said she raised the issue with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer. He told reporters: “I‘m not saying it doesn’t have an effect on relationships - it does - but not on this negotiation.”

The duties, which came on the same day Bombardier was left out of a rail tie-up, sent its shares and bond prices lower. The shares initially fell 14 percent before regaining ground to end down 7.5 percent at C$2.10. Many of its junk-rated bonds also fell, according to MarketAxess data.

“This puts a cloud over the company with regard to the CSeries,” said Bryden Teich, portfolio manager at Avenue Investment Management. “As long as there’s this uncertainty, it will affect the share price.”

The duties create “a level playing field in the aerospace market,” said another rival, Brazil’s Embraer (EMBR3.SA), which welcomed the move.

Bombardier is a major employer in Quebec, where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals say they need to win extra seats in an election set for October 2019.

Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard called on Ottawa to ensure that “not a bolt, not a part, not a plane from Boeing” be allowed into Canada until the dispute had been resolved.

“Boeing may have won a battle but, let me tell you, the war is far from over. And we will win,” Couillard told reporters, describing the duties as an attack.

Boeing, in a statement, reiterated it was not attacking Canada and the issue was a commercial dispute with Bombardier.

In Ottawa, Trudeau said the government was “disappointed and ... will continue to fight for good Canadian jobs.” He has previously said Canada will not go ahead with plans to buy 18 Boeing F-18 Super Hornet fighter jets unless the challenge is dropped.

Canadian Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne described it as a deplorable decision and one which shows that Boeing is not a “trustworthy partner.”

“Our message to the Americans is to tell them that this decision will also have an impact on American suppliers and jobs in the United States,” he added.

BROADENING TRADE BATTLE

The Boeing-Bombardier spat has snowballed into a bigger trade battle. Bombardier is a major employer in Northern Ireland, where a handful of legislators is keeping British Prime Minister Theresa May’s minority Conservative government in power.

Britain told Boeing on Wednesday that it could lose out on British defense contracts because of the dispute. May said in a tweet that she was “bitterly disappointed” by the ruling.


Boeing said it was committed to Britain.

The duties on Bombardier mark the second U.S. trade action against Canadian companies since President Donald Trump took office. Earlier this year, the United States imposed preliminary anti-subsidy duties on Canadian softwood lumber.

Boeing launched its challenge in April, alleging Bombardier had dumped airliners on the U.S. market when it struck a deal for 75 CSeries planes with Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N).

Delta’s CEO on Wednesday said Boeing’s challenge was “absurd” and predicted the duties would not be made permanent when Commerce reaches a final decision next year.

Bombardier, which considered bankruptcy in 2015 and is undertaking a five-year plan to improve performance and margins, is still grappling with nearly $9 billion in debt.

The company also got snubbed by Siemens AG (SIEGn.DE) on Tuesday, which opted to merge with France’s Alstom instead.

Bombardier may need to raise more equity to support a capital-intensive business, according to Lorne Steinberg, president of Lorne Steinberg Wealth Management Inc in Montreal.

Writing by David Ljunggren; Additional reporting by Anna Mehler Paperny and Nichola Saminather in Toronto and Leah Schnurr in Ottawa; Editing by Meredith Mazzilli and Matthew Lewis
 
talks in Ottawa where the countries acknowledged relations between Washington and Ottawa had become strained over the U.S. action.

What is it about Republicans, and trashing our relationship with good allies and friends? It started the first week when the orange Fat Ass was in office yelling at the Australian P.M. over the phone, and stretches back to George Dumbya Bush and freedom fries!

I mean this Fat Ass has golf course and hotels in allied nations....I wonder if it is a matter of time before they retaliate against Fat Ass's assets?
 
Is it the gop or just the dirty trumpf fucking w/ the neighbors??

Brits aint happy.... If they had any illusions of the USA carrying them or their water, they better think twice & maybe vote twice/again on leaving...
 
What is it about Republicans, and trashing our relationship with good allies and friends? It started the first week when the orange Fat Ass was in office yelling at the Australian P.M. over the phone, and stretches back to George Dumbya Bush and freedom fries!

I mean this Fat Ass has golf course and hotels in allied nations....I wonder if it is a matter of time before they retaliate against Fat Ass's assets?

It has nothing to do with Trump but why would you let a little detail like that get in the way of a good rant? Boeing is the big bad wolf here, they tried the same stunt with Airbus previously.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...bardier-c-series-aircraft-boeing-dispute/amp/
 
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moar business for boeing :)
No, the C Series has the market to itself. Boeing abandoned the 717 a decade ago and left a void that Bombardier has filled. Their charges of subsidies leave a bitter taste with Europeans, as Boeing is massively subsidised by the US government with military contracts. They tried the same stunt with Airbus in the past, they failed then and will fail now.

"Boeing doesn't even make a product that competes with the aircraft Bombardier offered," said Peter Lichtenbaum, an attorney representing Bombardier. "Aircraft are not like shampoo, where getting 30% more for a comparable price is a bonus."

Indeed, Conner confirmed that due to Delta's price requirements Boeing initially had discussed selling Delta used 717s or traded-in Embraer 190s.

"Boeing could not offer us a new airplane in the 100- to 110-seat space that met our needs in the timeframe that we needed to execute," Delta senior vice-president of supply chain management and fleet Gregory May said at the hearing. "It would be wrong to suggest that Boeing lost sales to Delta because we purchased the CS100. Boeing simply was not in the mix."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cseries-prices-threaten-737-max-7-viability-boein-437624/
 
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No, the C Series has the market to itself. Boeing abandoned the 717 a decade ago and left a void that Bombardier has filled. Their charges of subsidies leave a bitter taste with Europeans, as Boeing is massively subsidised by the US government with military contracts. They tried the same stunt with Airbus in the past, they failed then and will fail now.



https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cseries-prices-threaten-737-max-7-viability-boein-437624/

if i recall correctly this is for a 100-110 seat plane? Causing the price of this to go up may mean they go for other plane classes
 
if i recall correctly this is for a 100-110 seat plane? Causing the price of this to go up may mean they go for other plane classes

That is addressed in the article! Delta doesn't want a bigger aircraft, they want the CS100. Boeing will get their arse kicked if they continue as they will be locked out of future UK and Canadian business.



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Representatives from Bombardier and Delta dismissed Boeing's claims, insisting the CSeries does not compete with larger 737s.

Bombardier developed CSeries to fill a need that arose after Boeing abandoned the roughly 100-seat market when it stopped making 717s a decade ago, they said.

Boeing's 737-700 and 737 Max 7 carry roughly 126 to 138 seats, while CS100s carry about 108 seats.

"Boeing doesn't even make a product that competes with the aircraft Bombardier offered," said Peter Lichtenbaum, an attorney representing Bombardier. "Aircraft are not like shampoo, where getting 30% more for a comparable price is a bonus."
 
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That is addressed in the article! Delta doesn't want a bigger aircraft, they want the CS100. Boeing will get their arse kicked if they continue as they will be locked out of future UK and Canadian business.



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my point was if the price of the 100 seat plan changes too much then they may be pushed to other things. I may want ps4 but if it costs too much ill get something else like a wii
 
my point was if the price of the 100 seat plan changes too much then they may be pushed to other things. I may want ps4 but if it costs too much ill get something else like a wii
Yes and my point is that this stinks of good old fashioned protectionism.
 
Here is an update on the story about swingeing tariffs on the C-Series planes deal.

Bombardier has raised hopes of safeguarding 1,000 jobs in Belfast, saying it was confident a deal for Airbus to take a majority stake in the C-Series jet programme would help it avoid punishing US import tariffs.

The two companies hope to circumvent the 300% import tariff by assembling the C-Series passenger jets destined for US customers at Airbus’s factory in Alabama.

Should the deal proceed, the manufacture of wings for the C-Series is expected to remain in Belfast, where 1,000 people are employed on the programme. Bombardier employs a further 3,000 people in Belfast on other projects.



www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguard...dier-airbus-deal-jobs-belfast-boeing-c-series

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Is it the gop or just the dirty trumpf fucking w/ the neighbors??

Brits aint happy.... If they had any illusions of the USA carrying them or their water, they better think twice & maybe vote twice/again on leaving...

so is it true the Canookians are subsidizing Bombadier?......under the free trade agreement there aren't supposed to be any......this is what Trump was talking about when he said Obama was not protecting American interests under the NAFTA.......
 
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my point was if the price of the 100 seat plan changes too much then they may be pushed to other things. I may want ps4 but if it costs too much ill get something else like a wii

I hope you can afford a PS4 soon, sukey.
It must suck being poor white trash.
 
Wanna bet? It will happen once we have killed the albatross aka the EU around our necks.

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Sure Tom.
Shipyards lining the Thames, coal mining in Devonshire, steel works in Sheffield, they will all return once the yoke of the nasty EU is thrown off.

:rofl:
 
Sure Tom.
Shipyards lining the Thames, coal mining in Devonshire, steel works in Sheffield, they will all return once the yoke of the nasty EU is thrown off.

:rofl:

We'll most certainly get our fishing industry back, once we tell the EU to Foxtrot Oscar. Regarding coal mining, we won't need it as there is a fuckton of fracked gas waiting to be tapped. As for steel, there is plenty of that in Sheffield especially specialist steels. Devon, there is little coal there and never has been, apart from Bideford Black, but you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a good rant.

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