Did We Hand Asia to China?

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Did We Hand Asia to China?

The outcry has begun over the TPP. Richard Haas says that it will slow US growth and the primary beneficiary is China. Micheal Mcaul says we just handed China a major victory. For free! I don't need to mention the others including John Mccain espousing gloom and doom.

What Actually Happened?

We cancelled a multi-lateral trade deal with a bunch of countries in Asia. Does this mean that we will cease all trade with all Asian countries for now till eternity? No it does not. We have bilateral agreements. We have the WTO. We have prior relationships. All it means is that we will not have this particular trade agreement.

Why are we against it? Well first off bi lateral agreements are much easier to manage and negotiate than ones involving multiple countries. They are also much easier to change and annul. We also have a problem with the potential for outsourcing that this deal has as we have experienced first hand with NAFTA.

Why TPP?

The main argument for TPP seems to be that if we do not do it China will. China is pushing this deal called Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership which would theoretically replace the TPP. According to foreign policy analysts this would freeze out America and give China regional dominance in Asia. Basically China would replace the US in the web of Asian trade.

Let us take a look at the numbers. TPP includes 37.5 of global GDP , 25.9% of global trade, and 11.1% of the global population. RCEP includes 30.5% of global GDP, 27.4% of global trade, and 47.9% of the global population.

Do you see the problem now?

Can China Replace the US?

In short no. If you look at the numbers all the economies involved in the RECP are producer economies. For normal trade deals to work there normally has to be a stronger economy which outsources the jobs to the poorer one who then makes cheap products. The stronger economy now has access to cheap goods extending their budget and can then shift to other more productive fields.

In the case of RCEP the economies involved are the ones that are being outsourced too. The sweet sweet irony here is the countries involved in the RCEP have even lower wage scales than China! China will be in the exact same position as the US as its manufacturing base is outsourced to Vietnam and the other countries.

30.5% of the GDP shared by almost 50% of the populace means that there are almost no consumers to sell to and very little opportunity to make the profits required for the deal to be worth it. It says that almost everyone involved is barely subsisting.

The misconception here is that China can replace the US because of the size of its GDP. The US is the most desirable market in the world not just because of the production of its people but because of its purchasing power. Welfare, Food Stamps, Government Assistance, Easy access to credit. You may not like some of these things but it means that the average American can spend consume a much greater amount of goods than their paycheck would suggest.

In summary. China cannot replace the US in Asia with its trade deal. China and the US fulfill different roles in trade. RCEP is looking a lot like their version of NAFTA. The people who think that China will use this deal to be "economically dominant" are the same people who thought NAFTA was a good idea. The people in RCEP will need bilateral agreements with the US to have a market to sell to. For most of them the US will still be the most important trading partner.
 
RCEP countries : china India Vietnam Laos Thailand Cambodia Philippines Indonesia Myanmar South Korea
 
notice how when presented when the data none of the libs can actually say how rcep is good for china.
 
RCEP countries : china India Vietnam Laos Thailand Cambodia Philippines Indonesia Myanmar South Korea
China is planning high speed railways from the south through Laos and Thailand to Bangkok and through Vietnam and Cambodia to Bangkok. These will then link up to Singapore eventually. They already pretty much own Burma and Laos.

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China is planning high speed railways from the south through Laos and Thailand to Bangkok and through Vietnam and Cambodia to Bangkok. These will then link up to Singapore eventually. They already pretty much own Burma and Laos.

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lol. Ok? Then what? The main problem is still there. The "free trade" zone has no customer.

Yes I am aware that China is setting up the old silk road and modernizing it. This is most likely in aniticpation of the fact that they will never really challenge the US at sea. This is also why a russian alliance is important.
 
TPP is fatally flawed. China will probably negotiate a RCEP agreement. Chinese expansionism happens either way.

TSUKE: good work on your writing the OP!
 
"Can China Replace the US?
In short no." Lead


In short, yes.
It's not a question of whether, but when.

The Soviet's politburo ran it into a ditch, terminating itself through greed and incompetence.

China's politburo is reportedly quite small, agile, and quite clever.
I'm not endorsing communism.

I'm observing that China is in ascendancy. They get it!

Hong Kong, the most Westernized part of China, is also the most prosperous.

China's expanding its sovereign territorial claim by ocean dredging, and planting the flag.

China's 100 year plan seems to be right on track.

China may not have replaced the U.S. yet. But some economic analyses indicate China's economy is nipping at Uncle Sam's heels.

Obama's "pivot" is worth noting.

We'll see if Trump leaves the U.S. expanding presence in Australia.
 
lol. Ok? Then what? The main problem is still there. The "free trade" zone has no customer.

Yes I am aware that China is setting up the old silk road and modernizing it. This is most likely in aniticpation of the fact that they will never really challenge the US at sea. This is also why a russian alliance is important.
Well they are also planning to build roads and rail links through Pakistan to the deep water port at Gwadar.

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TPP is fatally flawed. China will probably negotiate a RCEP agreement. Chinese expansionism happens either way.

TSUKE: good work on your writing the OP!

... so heres the thing about RCEP... its great for vietnam and the others... but it is effectively NAFTA for China. What happened to he US will happen to them. With the exception of SOKOR the countries involved are on an even lower wage scale than China.
 
Well they are also planning to build roads and rail links through Pakistan to the deep water port at Gwadar.

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yes. What I told annata is the end game of the chinese is something like what napoleon did with the continental plan as he could not compete with britain at sea. Basically a asian european african trading block using the silk road as a blue print. Which is why its important to ally with teh russkies.
 
... so heres the thing about RCEP... its great for vietnam and the others... but it is effectively NAFTA for China. What happened to he US will happen to them. With the exception of SOKOR the countries involved are on an even lower wage scale than China.
makes absolute sense. China's ability to poach US jobs will hopefully be more difficult under Trump, while theRCEp countries killChina with out souring their jobs
 
yes. What I told annata is the end game of the chinese is something like what napoleon did with the continental plan as he could not compete with britain at sea. Basically a asian european african trading block using the silk road as a blue print. Which is why its important to ally with teh russkies.
Russia is already promoting it's own version of the EU.

Eurasian Economic Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union
 
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Did We Hand Asia to China?

The outcry has begun over the TPP. Richard Haas says that it will slow US growth and the primary beneficiary is China. Micheal Mcaul says we just handed China a major victory. For free! I don't need to mention the others including John Mccain espousing gloom and doom.

What Actually Happened?

We cancelled a multi-lateral trade deal with a bunch of countries in Asia. Does this mean that we will cease all trade with all Asian countries for now till eternity? No it does not. We have bilateral agreements. We have the WTO. We have prior relationships. All it means is that we will not have this particular trade agreement.

Why are we against it? Well first off bi lateral agreements are much easier to manage and negotiate than ones involving multiple countries. They are also much easier to change and annul. We also have a problem with the potential for outsourcing that this deal has as we have experienced first hand with NAFTA.

Why TPP?

The main argument for TPP seems to be that if we do not do it China will. China is pushing this deal called Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership which would theoretically replace the TPP. According to foreign policy analysts this would freeze out America and give China regional dominance in Asia. Basically China would replace the US in the web of Asian trade.

Let us take a look at the numbers. TPP includes 37.5 of global GDP , 25.9% of global trade, and 11.1% of the global population. RCEP includes 30.5% of global GDP, 27.4% of global trade, and 47.9% of the global population.

Do you see the problem now?

Can China Replace the US?

In short no. If you look at the numbers all the economies involved in the RECP are producer economies. For normal trade deals to work there normally has to be a stronger economy which outsources the jobs to the poorer one who then makes cheap products. The stronger economy now has access to cheap goods extending their budget and can then shift to other more productive fields.

In the case of RCEP the economies involved are the ones that are being outsourced too. The sweet sweet irony here is the countries involved in the RCEP have even lower wage scales than China! China will be in the exact same position as the US as its manufacturing base is outsourced to Vietnam and the other countries.

30.5% of the GDP shared by almost 50% of the populace means that there are almost no consumers to sell to and very little opportunity to make the profits required for the deal to be worth it. It says that almost everyone involved is barely subsisting.

The misconception here is that China can replace the US because of the size of its GDP. The US is the most desirable market in the world not just because of the production of its people but because of its purchasing power. Welfare, Food Stamps, Government Assistance, Easy access to credit. You may not like some of these things but it means that the average American can spend consume a much greater amount of goods than their paycheck would suggest.

In summary. China cannot replace the US in Asia with its trade deal. China and the US fulfill different roles in trade. RCEP is looking a lot like their version of NAFTA. The people who think that China will use this deal to be "economically dominant" are the same people who thought NAFTA was a good idea. The people in RCEP will need bilateral agreements with the US to have a market to sell to. For most of them the US will still be the most important trading partner.

Since when is Asia the property of either China or the US? Its nothing but a talking point by the new world order proponents...the blue blood progressives who make millions by importing cheap knock offs from Asia. This is not a ban on trading with any nation in Asia, its simply a plan to trade in a 'bilateral' manner...between 2 nations, the US and whoever the US wishes to engage in trade talks....so the importing and exporting of goods and materials can be on equal footing or not at all. PUTTING AMERICA FIRST over the interests of nations like Vietnam..communists, many of the small nations that harbor and promote RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS...etc.,

This is not Barry Soetoro running things anymore.....giving American wealth away to 3rd world nations in a redistribution scam. The day before he left office....Soetoro gave the radical murderers in the so called nation of Palestine..200 million US TAXPAYER DOLLARS. In fact Soetoro has redistributed Trillions of US dollars around the world.

Who needs the left wing mandates included in the TPP? Things like saving the whales, and other nonsense demands that has nothing to do with benefiting trade...but putting US liberty under the thumbnail of the NEW WORLD ORDER?

You know when the far left starts crying about anything.....you hit a nerve, as that just a involuntary reflex action.

Like President Trump having the opinion that Millions of illegals voted in the last election. They bitch and cry because they know that many American Citizens believe the same way, based upon the prima facie evidence of how the left wing states cater to illegals.
 
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