And yet you completely ignore when a "Dem" says something that doesn't play into your gotcha's.
So predictable.
Did the SEIU buy Obama's election?
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And yet you completely ignore when a "Dem" says something that doesn't play into your gotcha's.
So predictable.
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And yet you completely ignore when a "Dem" says something that doesn't play into your gotcha's.
So predictable.
what? you really need to see a shrink, your statement is completely untrue.
once again, onceler runs away from the thread topic. it would be amazing if you actually discussed the thread topic instead of running in with your lame one line attacks.
You seem to be confused about "the truth." My statement was 100% correct.
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really......what did i ignore? be specific now onceler. you can do it.
You always ignore it when Dems say something that doesn't fit into your gotcha.
Just the other day, I said union money sucked. But it didn't stop you from ignoring that, and still trying to say that lefties had a double-standard about unions & corporations.
You know I'm correct on this.
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as i thought, nothing specific. just lies.
i know you said that. have i called you a hypocrite on the matter? no.
and its hilarious that you lump yourself into the "lefties" group after you waxed on about how you're an independent. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. busted.
when i say dems or lefties, i don't mean all, unless i say all. but its good to know you finally admit you're not an independent and are a lefty.
as i thought, nothing specific. just lies.
i know you said that. have i called you a hypocrite on the matter? no.
and its hilarious that you lump yourself into the "lefties" group after you waxed on about how you're an independent. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. busted.
when i say dems or lefties, i don't mean all, unless i say all. but its good to know you finally admit you're not an independent and are a lefty.
I gave you a specific. Predictably, you said I didn't.
What was funny about that thread is that you wrote that I supported union money - you didn't even see that I posted that I didn't. And then when you did (apparently), you still said nothing.
You merely lied, and then ignored, and moved onto other posters who you still had a chance at a "gotcha" with.
It's pretty funny to watch, actually....
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no you didn't. you made a general claim that i "always" do it. you can't actually cite the post or show where i did it.
you always call women whores. you sexist pig. see....i too can make claims like you.
no i did not. another untruthful claim. you made it very clear that you don't support unions spending that kind of money. i never questioned your stance on it. you're seriously delusional. you don't remember conversations that took place just days ago. i hope you have padded walls in your house.
what did i lie about? link the post. you won't though because you're full of shit. you could make me look like such a fool by giving a link to where i lied. but you won't, because i didn't.
here is the thread that you claim i wrote you support union money
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=31040
find the post or admit you just lied your ass off. its only 34 posts onceler....i can't find anywhere in that thread i said you support union money. link it and i will leave this site for good.
Not dodging anything, junior. Money in politics is bad. Corporations have lots more of it to spend than anyone else, including unions.
My assertion was about spending in the 2010 election. Your link concerning 1989-2010 is irrelevant.
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so $60 million is nothing then? so because corporations have more money than unions, that money is bad. but $60 MILLION is good....
:roll eyes:
so my link that covers 2010 as well as prior years is irrelevant? lmao. could you be any more intellectually dishonest? if the facts don't conform to your world view, they don't count.
you have proven yourself to be a huge far left hack on this issue.
No, money in political campaigns is bad. But we live in an imperfect world where money is in political campaign. I don't expect the unions to not spend money on campaigns. Nor do I expect corporations not to spend money on campaigns. Where the amounts that either can spend are not limited, corporations have vastly more money than unions and can and will outspend them by a large margin.
Yes, your link is irrelevant. I made an assertion about what has and will happen in the wake of Citizens United. Anything that occurred prior to that decision is irrelevant to my assertion. Dumbass.
That really hurts. I think so highly of you and value your opinion so much that I think I'm going to quietly contemplate my views on the world in light of your opinion of me.
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then you support the union spending $60 million dollars....? right? i mean you have done everything you can to defend it by using a logical fallacy that because corps "could" spend more, then the union $60 MILLION is good. you're a hypocrite. go find me a corp that spent more than $60 million to elect a president. i'll wait.
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loooooooooool....so your fear after Citizens is that corps and unions can spend more than $60 million to elect a president....lmao nigel. you so desperately want us to believe that Citizens changes the ability of corps and unions to influence elections. the decision slightly changes HOW they influence elections, but it doesn't change the FACT the prior to Citizens unions could and DID spend $60 million to elect a president. and you're ok with that. because the unions help elect someone from your party.
i hope so, because your world view is screwed up.
Whether I support it and whether it is "good" are two separate questions. Try to follow along. Money in political campaigns is bad, including the $60 million that the SEIU spent in 2008. But I don't really have a problem with them spending that much money, because the world we live in is imperfect and money is a part of political campaigns.
Because I don't like money in political campaigns, Citizens United is a very bad decision. And I think it is particularly bad because in a world where corporations can spend without limitation, they will be able to outspend everyone else by a large large large margin.
You should slow down and think about things before you type. As I have said several times now, money in political campaigns is a bad thing. All of it. But where money is a big part of political campaigns, I don't have any problem with people with money using it to their advantage. Prior to Citizens, the rules were shitty but at least there were some restrictions that limited the impact of outside money spent on elections.
After Citizens it's a free for all. And it isn't a slight change, it's a huge change. Spending is unlimited. That's bad. Really bad. And in that free for all corporations will outspend everyone else. And that makes it all the worse.
Do you think it coincidental that the 2010 congressional election was the most expensive election of all time, which is pretty much unheard of for a non-presidential election year?
Thank you.
By the way, what's your view of unions spending $60 million on a presidential election? Are you just playing hypocrite hunter again or do you actually have an opinion of your own on the matter.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Corporations out spent unions by nearly $4 to $1. What's your point?Andy Stern, Service Employees International Union president
"We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/10/stern-unplugged-seiu-chief-labor-movement-and-card/
and the left is worried about corporations....
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still can't find that link huh onceler...LOL...busted!
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actually i already gave my opinion in another thread and have given it numerous times. i think the amount of money spent is harmful to the election process. be it from corps, individuals or unions. i support the right to spend the money, but i don't agree with it.
i think we actually have somewhat similar views. you don't like it, but since corps spend money, you're ok having unions spend money to counter the corp influence. and thats fine. it is tiring to hear libs constantly whine about corporate money influencing politics while they ignore the millions spent by unions.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No kidding. George Soros spent way more than that.
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onceler is still running away from post 28...he could cause me to leave this board if he could only show what he claims....in fact, i will give him $$ if he can link it. damo can be the middle man. say $100. so onceler, you could get $100 and me to leave the board if you can link your claim.
onceler is still running away from post 28...he could cause me to leave this board if he could only show what he claims....in fact, i will give him $$ if he can link it. damo can be the middle man. say $100. so onceler, you could get $100 and me to leave the board if you can link your claim.
You already linked it, Yurtsie.
I don't give you links, because you tend to weasel out of them. But you provided the link in this case, so you're all set.
Oh - and so long...
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i linked it? lol....what is the post # where linked onceler?
i never said that in that thread. you could easily make $100 and get me to leave the board forever if you could but just link the post or since you're afraid of links, just give the post #.
easy money onceler. right....???