Despite Facts... Obama continues to lie

Darla said:
Other than onceler who said they weren't voting for him? Anyone on this thread?
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so, despite the continuance and strengthening of Bush policies and his lying to you about his non interference with medical marijuana dispensaries by increasing the raids, you'll still vote for him?

Darla said:
Ironically, superfreak says he is voting for johnson but spends a lot of time and energy defending Romney and attacking his opponent. Like he did in this thread. But I don't expect that to bother you. Do you know why?
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do tell.
 
blackascoal said:
I don't support Obama .. but David Gergen suggesting that Obama lied about a company that HE gets paid by says absolutely nothing at all.

I wonder how much he got paid to write it?
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So BAC... what about what the NY Times, Fortune and Factcheck have to say? You know... those things Gergen quoted as evidence of his position? Can't help but wonder why so many on the left can't read those portions of the article.
 
blackascoal said:
I don't support Obama .. but David Gergen suggesting that Obama lied about a company that HE gets paid by says absolutely nothing at all.

I wonder how much he got paid to write it?
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Also... he got paid for a couple of speaking engagements. Given that he has advised four Presidents he gets paid for public/private speaking engagements. Does that mean he is a shill for any and every group he has spoken in front of?
 
Superfreak said:
Also... he got paid for a couple of speaking engagements. Given that he has advised four Presidents he gets paid for public/private speaking engagements. Does that mean he is a shill for any and every group he has spoken in front of?
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No, he's a shill for whomever's paying him.
 
Superfreak said:
So BAC... what about what the NY Times, Fortune and Factcheck have to say? You know... those things Gergen quoted as evidence of his position? Can't help but wonder why so many on the left can't read those portions of the article.
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From my perspective .. if I was going to post evidence of Obama lying, I would follow the links to the NYTimes or FactCheck and posted those. I would not have posted what Gergen has to say because it's meaningless for all the obvious reasons.

Frankly, once I read his pre-emptive lame ass excuse for why he thinks he's more qualified to critically examine a company he gets paid by .. I was done with the article.

Seriously .. I wonder how much he got paid to write it?

You know there will be benefit to him for this.
 
blackascoal said:
From my perspective .. if I was going to post evidence of Obama lying, I would follow the links to the NYTimes or FactCheck and posted those. I would not have posted what Gergen has to say because it's meaningless for all the obvious reasons.

Frankly, once I read his pre-emptive lame ass excuse for why he thinks he's more qualified to critically examine a company he gets paid by .. I was done with the article.

Seriously .. I wonder how much he got paid to write it?

You know there will be benefit to him for this.
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Again, he got paid for speaking engagements at Bain. He is not an employee that is continually being paid. To pretend that he is without bias would be disingenuous, especially given that he himself highlights for all to see what his connections are and that he is admittedly biased to a degree. That kind of honesty is lacking in many media outlets.

It doesn't change the facts presented. Which is what makes it sad that so many on the left just dismiss the entire piece due to his openly admitted relationship with Bain in the past. To continue to ignore the NY Times, Fact Check and Fortune due to that relationship is to me a cowardly way out of the discussion. Ignore the remainder of his article if that personal relationship is too much to deal with... but the quotes from the other sources are real. Why continue to ignore those?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the caliber of intelligence and wisdom is fitting for those who willingly vote for a proven liar. nice.

hmm, I reject that. maybe you could explain.
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I find Romney and the radical right he is beholden to be far worse, not marginally worse, than Obama. I would be hoping beyond hope that Obama wins. After much thought I feel I have to stand behind that rather than vote third party and then go around saying, well I didn't vote for him. I am not at all interested in your judgement of me, only in my own.

As to your other question, you bash libs for things cons do right under your nose, this thread being a case in point. Cause you're a hypocrite.
 
Superfreak said:
Again, he got paid for speaking engagements at Bain. He is not an employee that is continually being paid. To pretend that he is without bias would be disingenuous, especially given that he himself highlights for all to see what his connections are and that he is admittedly biased to a degree. That kind of honesty is lacking in many media outlets.

It doesn't change the facts presented. Which is what makes it sad that so many on the left just dismiss the entire piece due to his openly admitted relationship with Bain in the past. To continue to ignore the NY Times, Fact Check and Fortune due to that relationship is to me a cowardly way out of the discussion. Ignore the remainder of his article if that personal relationship is too much to deal with... but the quotes from the other sources are real. Why continue to ignore those?
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He gets paid by Bain. Are you suggesting that those who pay him won't look at him favorably for writing this .. perhaps resulting in more money and/ or assignments? Of course its in his benefit.

Again, why should I have to wade through the minutia of David Gergen to get to relevant facts?

I'm not suggesting that what you posted may not be the truth, just that when you post biased thoughts that pretend to be unbiased, you should expect the rejection of what may be in it.

I will read the links.
 
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blackascoal said:
He gets paid by Bain. Are you suggesting that those who pay him won't look at him favorably for write this .. perhaps resulting in more money and/ or assignments? Of course its in his benefit.
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He GOT paid by Bain for speaking engagements. He does not continue getting paid by them. By the standard you hold above, all journalists have the same problem then. All of them benefit from those they write favorably about (or by those who like who they write unfavorably about).

Again, why should I have to wade through the minutia of David Gergen to get to relevant facts?

I'm not suggesting that what you posted may not be the truth, just that when you post biased thoughts that pretend to be unbiased, you should expect the rejection of what may be in it.
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The second sentence is a bit off. He clearly defines his relationship and admits to being biased. How is it that you see that as pretending to be unbiased?

I will read the links.
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thanks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/u...ain-its-complicated.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-exit/

Side note: do note that Gergen also stated he felt that Romney should release all of the asked for tax returns...

Should Romney disclose his tax returns and other information relating to off-shore accounts? Yes, he should. Like many others who have been financially successful and as a result have complicated financial histories, Romney has shown a deep reluctance to disclose anything more than the bare minimum and has only released his tax return for one year. But he is asking voters to entrust him with the most powerful and important office in the world. In return, voters have a right to know who he is and how he got here. Put it out, take whatever hits are coming, and move on. If he has been as honest as all his friends believe, he will ultimately be a stronger candidate and can refocus on what matters: the country.
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as do I
 
Superfreak said:
NY Times....
Fact Check
Fortune
Filing for new round of funding

None of which equals 'business partners of Romney' you pathetic little hack. Let me guess... you just missed those parts of the article?
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I have to laugh at how conservatives now support the NYT and Factcheck.org. It wasn't that long ago that Factcheck.org posted pages of evidence proving that Obama was a natural-born citizen, and righty rags still discounted their findings.
 
christiefan915 said:
I have to laugh at how conservatives now support the NYT and Factcheck.org. It wasn't that long ago that Factcheck.org posted pages of evidence proving that Obama was a natural-born citizen, and righty rags still discounted their findings.
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LMAO... I use the liberal NY Times because the left can't say 'that is a rightwing site'. As for Factcheck... it isn't always going to be perfectly updated, but it does do a good job. I would like to see you present a time when I have stated otherwise. Also, I was not a birther. I thought the entire issue was f'in retarded as even without a birth certificate all of the evidence of where his parents were at the time of his birth suggested he was born in Hawaii. That said, he could have just released the damn thing to begin with and ended the topic.
 
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