Dems want Hillary Clinton to leave spotlight

Thing1 said:
Silly. I didn't "fight for a Trump win." What a dishonest characterization.

Desh, you're way too much of a hack. You're like the righties on here who were onboard w/ Trump as soon as he was the nominee. You have the bar set so low - as long as someone is a Democrat, they're the greatest.

Hillary was a terrible candidate. She created a lot of her own baggage, with carelessness and arrogance. But beyond all of that, what was her message? Can you let me know what she ran on?

And the way her campaign treated Sanders should give anyone pause. That was embarrassing.
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Some truth here. She lacked a memorable soundbite. Her message was nuanced and composed of a bunch of esoteric policy positions that is not suitable for your average voter to go crazy about.
Her real problem was nothing you said, however. It was that she lacked essential charisma. I said this all along. It was not ethical, moral, legal or policy problems. It was not the right's irrational hate for her,
some of which you evidence merely by misdiagnosing her. I thought the female thing plus the disgustingness of Trump would put her over the top. I was wrong. A charisma infusion would have made her potus.

She had little to no charisma, all the crass shit lemmings need from a leader like gravitas, bearing, good looks and the "it" factor. She had none of it, and THAT'S the only reason she lost. She would have been an able Potus.
 
Thing1 said:
Why do I care if you trust me?

There was plenty wrong w/ Hillary. Again - a terrible candidate. I asked what her message was in the campaign, and you can't answer.
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she spoke her message every day


you and others lied about it


why?


because she had a vag and you don't like the democratic platform
 
Micawber said:
Some truth here. She lacked a memorable soundbite. Her message was nuanced and composed of a bunch of esoteric policy positions that is not suitable for your average voter to go crazy about.
Her real problem was nothing you said, however. It was that she lacked essential charisma. I said this all along. It was not ethical, moral, legal or policy problems. It was not the right's irrational hate for her,
some of which you evidence merely by misdiagnosing her. I thought the female thing plus the disgustingness of Trump would put her over the top. I was wrong. A charisma infusion would have made her potus.

She had little to no charisma, all the crass shit lemmings need from a leader like gravitas, bearing, good looks and the "it" factor. She had none of it, and THAT'S the only reason she lost. She would have been an able Potus.
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She would have been a better POTUS than Trump, but that's about it, imo.

I somewhat disagree on the charisma thing. To paraphrase Obama, I think she was charismatic enough. But both she & Bill have had an arrogance & sense of entitlement about power since they came on the scene. That doesn't mean that you can't ably lead, but with Hillary, it started w/ her first closed-door foray into healthcare.

And my goodness, she was truly a politician's politician. So expedient. I'm not sure how anyone on the left could enthusiastically support her after the Iraq vote. That was a coward's vote, on what I consider to be the defining issue of this generation. We needed her & other Dems to take a stand against Bush, and she caved.

That's part of the reason Sanders got so much traction. His integrity, honesty & conviction were clear contrasts w/ Hillary.
 
well regulated capitalism based in real schools of economics


helping your fellow man


healthcare for all


FACTS to decide matters instead of fucking sociopathic lies
 
Thing1 said:
She would have been a better POTUS than Trump, but that's about it, imo.

I somewhat disagree on the charisma thing. To paraphrase Obama, I think she was charismatic enough. But both she & Bill have had an arrogance & sense of entitlement about power since they came on the scene. That doesn't mean that you can't ably lead, but with Hillary, it started w/ her first closed-door foray into healthcare.

And my goodness, she was truly a politician's politician. So expedient. I'm not sure how anyone on the left could enthusiastically support her after the Iraq vote. That was a coward's vote, on what I consider to be the defining issue of this generation. We needed her & other Dems to take a stand against Bush, and she caved.

That's part of the reason Sanders got so much traction. His integrity, honesty & conviction were clear contrasts w/ Hillary.
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you are not a dem remember


don't tell dems your Kasich is any better


you are a phoney
 
evince said:
who tout republicans like Kasich as better people than the dem nominee
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Kasich has honestly & conviction, and he's a good leader. I disagree w/ him on a lot of the issues, but he would have been a much better Prez than either Hillary or Trump.

Your characterization of Hillary's message was lame, btw. She didn't really campaign on those things. She focused almost exclusively on Trump's negatives. Ask anyone what her plan was for jobs, and I doubt you'd find anyone who could answer - except that she wanted to put coal workers out of a job.
 
Thing1 said:
Kasich has honestly & conviction, and he's a good leader. I disagree w/ him on a lot of the issues, but he would have been a much better Prez than either Hillary or Trump.

Your characterization of Hillary's message was lame, btw. She didn't really campaign on those things. She focused almost exclusively on Trump's negatives. Ask anyone what her plan was for jobs, and I doubt you'd find anyone who could answer - except that she wanted to put coal workers out of a job.
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HE LIED ABOUT SUPPORTING THE IRAQ WAR
 
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