Dems set new low....

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The Almighty
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/10/democrats_hit_new_low_with_tho.html

Here is what's so appalling to me: The ad makes the totally unsubstantiated charge that the Chamber of Commerce is taking money from foreign interests and using it to "steal our democracy." And worse, President Obama is out on the campaign trail, according to the New York Times, creating an echo chamber by making the same reckless claims just as the ad hits the airwaves. And when CBS newsman Bob Schieffer Sunday asks David Axelrod if there is any proof for the claim, the senior Obama aide says they don't need proof -- it's up to the Chamber of Commerce to prove it isn't true.

Hmmm... so apparently now we can just say whatever we like about someone or some group and then make them prove the accusations are untrue.

At least we now know where the far lefties on this board are getting this line of crap from.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018631-503544.html

They admitt they take foreign money.

They then tell us "Oh dont worry we keep it separate".

They have foreign members you dolt. Saying... oh, they have foreign members, thus they must be using foreign money to buy elections is nothing short of slander. If you have PROOF... provide it. Otherwise the Chamber should sue the DNC.

Acorn has nothing to do with this topic.... no matter how much you wish to divert from the above bullshit from your masters.
 
They have foreign members you dolt. Saying... oh, they have foreign members, thus they must be using foreign money to buy elections is nothing short of slander. If you have PROOF... provide it. Otherwise the Chamber should sue the DNC.

Acorn has nothing to do with this topic.... no matter how much you wish to divert from the above bullshit from your masters.

Don't call Desh names or I will have to use my new uber-rep power against you, as much as I would rather not. Grind gave it to me after I asked him why some people had it, and he told me that most of them, like Yurt, got it by performing demeaning acts on video for Grind's collection, but he gave it to me because I hate white men and am amusing. I plan to use this great power on the side of good, but as you know, great power almost inevitably corrupts. I mean that you'd know that from reading about it, not from having any of course.

Anyway, I digress...

-Is the chamber a politically active organization?

-IS the chamber intervening financially in our current election?

-Does the chamber have an anti-worker pro-corporate bias?

-Does the chamber accept monies from foreign corporations?

-Has the chamber presented any proof that this money is not directly funding the american political campaigns they themselves are donating to?

-If they ever do present this evidence (they won't), if someone gives you a great deal of money and you promise not to pay your mortgage with it, and so instead you pay all of your other bills with it, is it not a fact that the money you were given freed up your other cash to pay the mortgage?

The answers are self-evident, of course. :clink:
 
They have foreign members you dolt. Saying... oh, they have foreign members, thus they must be using foreign money to buy elections is nothing short of slander. If you have PROOF... provide it. Otherwise the Chamber should sue the DNC.

Acorn has nothing to do with this topic.... no matter how much you wish to divert from the above bullshit from your masters.


"We have systems in place" has to be the most hilarious response to these allegations imaginable. Of course, this wouldn't be an issue if there were disclosure laws. But, there aren't any.

And money is fungible. The Chamber is funded in part by overseas sources. The Chamber uses its funds to engage in campaign activity. Maybe the Chamber "systems" keeping Bahraini money in a separate account is good enough for you, SF but let's get real.
 
Don't call Desh names or I will have to use my new uber-rep power against you, as much as I would rather not. Grind gave it to me after I asked him why some people had it, and he told me that most of them, like Yurt, got it by performing demeaning acts on video for Grind's collection, but he gave it to me because I hate white men and am amusing. I plan to use this great power on the side of good, but as you know, great power almost inevitably corrupts. I mean that you'd know that from reading about it, not from having any of course.

Anyway, I digress...

-Is the chamber a politically active organization?

-IS the chamber intervening financially in our current election?

-Does the chamber have an anti-worker pro-corporate bias?

-Does the chamber accept monies from foreign corporations?

-Has the chamber presented any proof that this money is not directly funding the american political campaigns they themselves are donating to?

-If they ever do present this evidence (they won't), if someone gives you a great deal of money and you promise not to pay your mortgage with it, and so instead you pay all of your other bills with it, is it not a fact that the money you were given freed up your other cash to pay the mortgage?

The answers are self-evident, of course. :clink:

Really it's almost embarrassing to skewer a man like this. Listen, even I have been affected by the patriarchy and its rules. I have to actively fight against every feminized instinct our patriarchal culture imbued me with. The insticts that tell me "back off! Let him win. My god leave him with some scrap of dignity!"

It's a constant fight. A constant fight.
 
Don't call Desh names or I will have to use my new uber-rep power against you, as much as I would rather not. Grind gave it to me after I asked him why some people had it, and he told me that most of them, like Yurt, got it by performing demeaning acts on video for Grind's collection, but he gave it to me because I hate white men and am amusing. I plan to use this great power on the side of good, but as you know, great power almost inevitably corrupts. I mean that you'd know that from reading about it, not from having any of course.

Given that I could care less about the rep points... have fun...



-Is the chamber a politically active organization?

yes

-IS the chamber intervening financially in our current election?

Yes

-Does the chamber have an anti-worker pro-corporate bias?

No. The Chamber is very pro-business, pro-growth, but it is not anti-worker. The anti worker claim is just bullshit from the left.

-Does the chamber accept monies from foreign corporations?

yes, the chamber has foreign members. Those members pay dues just like every other chamber member.

-Has the chamber presented any proof that this money is not directly funding the american political campaigns they themselves are donating to?

Have the unions provided proof that they don't use funds to provide sexual favors for their Dem puppets? Has moveon.moron provided evidence that they haven't used funds to do the same?

-If they ever do present this evidence (they won't), if someone gives you a great deal of money and you promise not to pay your mortgage with it, and so instead you pay all of your other bills with it, is it not a fact that the money you were given freed up your other cash to pay the mortgage?

By your standard, that person could not accept the money, because no matter how that person spent the money it would 'free up other cash to pay the mortgage'

By that standard, no one could do business with anyone outside of this country. I mean, golly... the unions pay for political ads with dues from employees who work for companies that do business with foreign companies. So by your standard, that money is coming to the union via the employee from FOREIGN companies. OMG OMG OMG...

do you see the fallacy of your argument yet? Because that is what is self evident.
 
"Given that I could care less about the rep points"

No one's buying that.

You may as well just say "I don't care about food" or "I don't care about the air we breathe."

rep points = life. You care.
 
Bullshit, the chamber is a corporate whore in this modern world.

It used to be more but now its just a whore.
 
Have the unions provided proof that they don't use funds to provide sexual favors for their Dem puppets? Has moveon.moron provided evidence that they haven't used funds to do the same?

But, notwithstanding your active imagination, there is no reason the believe that unions and moveon.moron use funds to provide sexual favors for their Dem puppets, but, as you've conceded, there is a legitimate question regarding whether the dues from foreign corporations are used to fund political ads.

Do you see why yours is a silly argument?


By your standard, that person could not accept the money, because no matter how that person spent the money it would 'free up other cash to pay the mortgage'

By that standard, no one could do business with anyone outside of this country. I mean, golly... the unions pay for political ads with dues from employees who work for companies that do business with foreign companies. So by your standard, that money is coming to the union via the employee from FOREIGN companies. OMG OMG OMG...

do you see the fallacy of your argument yet? Because that is what is self evident.


Where's the fallacy? I just see you playing make believe again. It's fine to do business with foreign companies. I mean, no one is complaining that NewsCorp's $1 million contribution to the Chamber slush fund is problematic because NewsCorp publishes newspapers in the UK. Rather, the complaint is that foreign businesses are contributing money to the Chamber and the Chamber is using that money to fund its electoral activities.

Here, I'll make a legitimate argument for you since you're too dense to do it on your own: Many labor unions are international and have foreign members. Has the IBEW proved that dues from its foreign members have been excluded from its campaign activities (to the extent it is doing any, I don't know that it is)? That's your best argument and you're welcome.
 
Bullshit, the chamber is a corporate whore in this modern world.

It used to be more but now its just a whore.

Unions are corrupt pieces of shit who rob the workers they represent blind. They force jobs overseas to the detriment of the country. They steal from little old ladies and mug babies.
 
Bullshit.

ACORN did nothing to deserve the treatmtment and LIES the right heaped onto it until it was dead.

The chamber has been taken over by right wing hacks just like everything under Bush.


Unions do far more for this country than the chamber does.
 
But, notwithstanding your active imagination, there is no reason the believe that unions and moveon.moron use funds to provide sexual favors for their Dem puppets, but, as you've conceded, there is a legitimate question regarding whether the dues from foreign corporations are used to fund political ads.

There obviously is a reason. Why else would the Dems be such complete and total shills for the unions?

Do you see why yours is a silly argument?

yes... for the same reason yours is.



Where's the fallacy? I just see you playing make believe again. It's fine to do business with foreign companies. I mean, no one is complaining that NewsCorp's $1 million contribution to the Chamber slush fund is problematic because NewsCorp publishes newspapers in the UK. Rather, the complaint is that foreign businesses are contributing money to the Chamber and the Chamber is using that money to fund its electoral activities.

LMAO... again you are proclaiming that they are using the funds from the foreign corporation.

News Corp does not ONLY publish in the UK.... IT also owns Fox news, the Journal, Harper Collins etc.... US COMPANIES that employee US WORKERS. I know Murdoch is a fun boogeyman for the left... but you people are insane.

You make accusation and then say 'prove they are wrong'.

In other words.... we want you to provide full disclosure, but the organizations that support us.... well they can stay hidden.
 
Bullshit.

ACORN did nothing to deserve the treatmtment and LIES the right heaped onto it until it was dead.

The chamber has been taken over by right wing hacks just like everything under Bush.


Unions do far more for this country than the chamber does.

Nope... the unions have destroyed American business. The Chamber SUPPORTS American BUSINESSES... you know... those things that HIRE people.

The vast majority of Chamber memberships are SMALL and Mid sized businesses. Obviously you idiots have never been Chamber members or you would know that.
 
Given that I could care less about the rep points... have fun...





yes



Yes



No. The Chamber is very pro-business, pro-growth, but it is not anti-worker. The anti worker claim is just bullshit from the left.



yes, the chamber has foreign members. Those members pay dues just like every other chamber member.



Have the unions provided proof that they don't use funds to provide sexual favors for their Dem puppets? Has moveon.moron provided evidence that they haven't used funds to do the same?



By your standard, that person could not accept the money, because no matter how that person spent the money it would 'free up other cash to pay the mortgage'

By that standard, no one could do business with anyone outside of this country. I mean, golly... the unions pay for political ads with dues from employees who work for companies that do business with foreign companies. So by your standard, that money is coming to the union via the employee from FOREIGN companies. OMG OMG OMG...

do you see the fallacy of your argument yet? Because that is what is self evident.

No, there is no fallacy, and since the majority of workers will consider the policies advocated by the chamber to be against their interests, I'm not too worried about where general opinion is going to fall on that.

I think that the right is so upset about this because they know it's going to work. They felt entitled to buy elections once Citizens United came down.

How dare there be consequences for their "free speech"???

Well there are.
 
Workers having the power to organize is what caused this busniness enviroment?

You are bat shit crazy super
 
LMAO... again you are proclaiming that they are using the funds from the foreign corporation.

News Corp does not ONLY publish in the UK.... IT also owns Fox news, the Journal, Harper Collins etc.... US COMPANIES that employee US WORKERS. I know Murdoch is a fun boogeyman for the left... but you people are insane.

You make accusation and then say 'prove they are wrong'.

In other words.... we want you to provide full disclosure, but the organizations that support us.... well they can stay hidden.


Maybe you missed the part where I said that nobody is complaining about NewsCorp engaging in commerce with furriners regarding their donation.

And what I am proclaiming is nothing more that what you have admitted: the Chamber accepts contributions from foreign corporations and the Chamber funds campaign activities. I just happen to also acknowledge the fungible nature of money, which you seem not to grasp.
 
"Given that I could care less about the rep points"

No one's buying that.

You may as well just say "I don't care about food" or "I don't care about the air we breathe."

rep points = life. You care.

They're so transparent. You can tell how uncomfortable he is now. A lot of them are. You should hear the things Grind makes them do to get the uber-rep. Most of them told him to eff off. To SF's credit, he wouldn't do it. Grind told me that Yurt jumped at the chance though.
 
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