Dems costing Detroit more jobs...

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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...krupt-Detroit-leaders-still-chasing-away-jobs

Detroit lost a growing business this month and Detroit politicians cheered. The blue-collar jobs that Detroit Bulk Storage supports at its Detroit River loading dock will disappear this fall after U.S. Congressmen Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township, and John Conyers, D-Detroit, and state House Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Detroit, protested the loading of a coal-like energy source, petroleum coke, on barges for export to power plants. The Democratic frontrunner for Michigan’s 2014 Senate seat, Peters is already using his “victory” in a campaign ad to raise money.
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Why do Dems hate blue collar workers?


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Superfreak said:
Why do democrats refuse to address this?

They are scared of the FACTS.

(/channelling desh)
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Nine minutes. That's what you expected someone to reply?

mkay...


Why do Dems hate blue collar workers?
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here's your answer.

Why do republicans hate America? Why do the Koch brothers hate America? Why do republicans and the Koch Brothers hate our environment? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SF007?This shit shouldn't be sent down any river any more than it should being sent down a pipeline prone to leakage.

der.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/b...nds-rises-in-detroit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Detroit’s ever-growing black mountain is the unloved, unwanted and long overlooked byproduct of Canada’s oil sands boom.

And no one knows quite what to do about it, except Koch Carbon, which owns it.

The company is controlled by Charles and David Koch, wealthy industrialists who back a number of conservative and libertarian causes including activist groups that challenge the science behind climate change. The company sells the high-sulfur, high-carbon waste, usually overseas, where it is burned as fuel.

The coke comes from a refinery alongside the river owned by Marathon Petroleum, which has been there since 1930. But it began refining exports from the Canadian oil sands — and producing the waste that is sold to Koch — only in November.

“What is really, really disturbing to me is how some companies treat the city of Detroit as a dumping ground,” said Rashida Tlaib, the Michigan state representative for that part of Detroit. “Nobody knew this was going to happen.” Almost 56 percent of Canada’s oil production is from the petroleum-soaked oil sands of northern Alberta, some 2,000 miles away.

An initial refining process known as coking, which releases the oil from the tarlike bitumen in the oil sands, also leaves the petroleum coke, of which Canada has 79.8 million tons stockpiled. Some is dumped in open-pit oil sands mines and tailing ponds in Alberta. Much is just piled up there.

Detroit’s pile will not be the only one. Canada’s efforts to sell more products derived from oil sands to the United States, which include transporting it through the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, have pulled more coking south to American refineries, creating more waste product here.

Marathon Petroleum’s plant in Detroit processes 28,000 barrels a day of the oil sands bitumen.

Residents on both sides of the Detroit River are concerned that the coke mountain is both an environmental threat and an eyesore.
“Here’s a little bit of Alberta,” said Brian Masse, one of Windsor’s Parliament members. “For those that thought they were immune from the oil sands and the consequences of them, we’re now seeing up front and center that we’re not.” Mr. Masse wants the International Joint Commission, the bilateral agency that governs the Great Lakes, to investigate the pile. Michigan’s state environmental regulatory agency has submitted a formal request to Detroit Bulk Storage, the company holding the material for Koch Carbon, to change its storage methods. Michigan politicians and environmental groups have also joined cause with Windsor residents. Paul Baltzer, a spokesman for Koch’s parent company, Koch Companies Public Sector, did not respond to questions about its storage or the ultimate destination of the petroleum coke.

Coke, which is mainly carbon, is an essential ingredient in steelmaking as well as producing the electrical anodes used to make aluminum.

While there is high demand from both those industries, the small grains and high sulfur content of this petroleum coke make it largely unusable for those purposes, said Kerry Satterthwaite, a petroleum coke analyst at Roskill Information Services, a commodities analysis company based in London.

“It is worse than a byproduct,” Ms. Satterthwaite said.“It’s a waste byproduct that is costly and inconvenient to store, but effectively costs nothing to produce.”

Murray Gray, the scientific director for the Center for Oil Sands Innovation at the University of Alberta, said that about two years ago, Alberta backed away from plans to use the petroleum coke as a fuel source, partly over concerns about greenhouse-gas emissions. Some of it is burned there, however, to power coking plants.
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Since we're channelling our favorite posters, I guess I'll give it a go:

Keynesian economics killed Detroit.

(/channelling Damo)
 
Howey said:
Nine minutes. That's what you expected someone to reply?

mkay...




here's your answer.

Why do republicans hate America? Why do the Koch brothers hate America? Why do republicans and the Koch Brothers hate our environment? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SF007?This shit shouldn't be sent down any river any more than it should being sent down a pipeline prone to leakage.

der.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/b...nds-rises-in-detroit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Environmental concerns are an important part of industrial site location, and with Detroit’s industrial waterfront abutting urban neighborhoods, conflict is inevitable. But rather than bringing all sides to the table to balance business and neighborhood concerns, Peters & Co. exploited pet coke storage for political gain — scaring residents about the product’s environmental impact and ultimately driving the business out of state.


“We don’t know what kind of long-term risks pet coke poses to public health and we don’t know what kind of long-term effects it will have on the Great Lakes,” exclaims Peters in a fundraising email. “That’s why I’m fighting for a study on the long-term effects of this pet coke.” That’s pure demagoguery aimed at impressing rich, green Democratic donors —at the expense of small business. It’s part of a larger Democratic war against Canadian oil sands that has postponed the Keystone XL pipeline and cost the struggling U.S. economy 20,000 potential jobs.


Pet coke — like its cousin coal — is a known, carbon-rich commodity that the EPA has judged non-toxic. Indeed, millions of tons of coal make their way across American waterways on the way to power plants. Detroit Bulk Storage itself also stores coal and has abided by all state and EPA regulations governing pet coke storage. Yet Tlaib rages that Bulk Storage is “illegally dumping” pet coke.

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yeah... ooops... sorry Howey
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Superfreak said:
You picking that up from Dung? The fact that it is an op-ed piece does not mean it is wrong. Can you show otherwise? If you question his point on the EPA, then link us up to your data.
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This thread is done until you breathe in some of that shit. Hopefully you won't be around long afterwards.
 
Superfreak said:
You picking that up from Dung? The fact that it is an op-ed piece does not mean it is wrong. Can you show otherwise? If you question his point on the EPA, then link us up to your data.
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The fact that it is written in an op-ed without sufficient information to verify the assertion does not mean that it is right.
 
Dungheap said:
The fact that it is written in an op-ed without sufficient information to verify the assertion does not mean that it is right.
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Nor does it mean it is wrong. Despite the attempts by him to suggest such simply on the grounds that the info was in an op ed piece. Which is why I suggested he prove it wrong if he thought the info was incorrect.
 
Superfreak said:
Nor does it mean it is wrong. Despite the attempts by him to suggest such simply on the grounds that the info was in an op ed piece. Which is why I suggested he prove it wrong if he thought the info was incorrect.
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Why isn't the onus on the op-ed writer making such assertions to back those assertions up with sufficient information to verify the accuracy of the claim. I mean, if the EPA said that pet coke is non-toxic, the writer should say where one can find that information from the EPA. It's not easily verifiable by any means.
 
Dungheap said:
Why isn't the onus on the op-ed writer making such assertions to back those assertions up with sufficient information to verify the accuracy of the claim. I mean, if the EPA said that pet coke is non-toxic, the writer should say where one can find that information from the EPA. It's not easily verifiable by any means.
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Many articles and op eds don't list such info. I agree that they should. Especially on line versions of the articles where space is not an issue. That said, do you think the NY Times article Howey posted should do the same?
 
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