Democrats Were Briefed On CIA methods

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Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations
Members of Congress were briefed on the subject of interrogation techniques more than 30 times since 2002, FOX News has learned. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was at the first meeting, and she raised no objections.

Republicans, hoping to turn the tables on Democrats who are open to prosecuting Bush-era lawyers for justifying "enhanced" interrogation techniques, are seeking to reveal the names of those lawmakers who were briefed on the tactics as much as seven years ago.

FOX News has learned there were more than 30 meetings and briefings with members of Congress on the subject since 2002.

The first such briefing dealt with the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, the Al Qaeda operations chief who ran the training camps in Afghanistan where the Sept. 11 hijackers were trained. Sources said California Rep. Nancy Pelosi, now the speaker of the House, attended the meeting with then-Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla. (who later became CIA director), and she did not raise any objections.

The briefings were given to the chairmen and ranking members of the intelligence committees in the House and Senate until 2006. That could cover Sen. John Rockefeller, W.Va., and Rep. Jane Harman, Calif., both Democrats, as well as Sen. Pat Roberts, Kan., Sen. Lindsey Graham, S.C., Sen. Richard Shelby, Ala., and Rep. Pete Hoekstra, Mich., all Republicans.

Defenders of the interrogation program note that if Congress had wanted to kill the program, all it had to do was withhold funding, which didn't happen.


Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, has personally requested from Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair an unclassified list of names of all members of Congress who attended those briefings, complete with dates and locations.

He told FOXNews.com the list will probably show many members were briefed "early and often."

"The purpose of this, of course, is to underscore the fact that people in Congress knew or were aware of the program, its details, and they approved of this program and authorized its funding," said Jamal Ware, spokesman for Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee.

Republicans have criticized President Obama for opening the door prosecuting Justice Department lawyers who drafted the so-called "torture memos," which authorized harsh interrogation methods, including waterboarding. But they've also raised the point that if Democrats pursue charges against the lawyers, they'd be shielding others involved in the interrogation program.

"They can't blame the politicians in Congress who approved these tactics in 2002 because these are their friends," Rep. Lamar Smith, ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said in an e-mail. "So they're placing the blame on Bush administration officials, political appointees."

Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that he would follow the law with regard to the interrogation program.

A number of Democrats have defended the call for probes.

"One way or another there needs to be a careful review and a public accounting of these troublesome policies," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a statement Wednesday, adding that an ongoing Senate Intelligence Committee probe should yield a lot of the answers Americans are looking for. "And I think issues of prosecution are principally the responsibility of the Justice Department to evaluate."

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., has been pushing for an independent, bipartisan commission to investigate.

"I'm not one who feels we should turn the page if you haven't read the page," Leahy said.

But while some aides back the idea of an independent, 9/11 Commission-style body to investigate, FOX News has learned that Obama opposes the idea.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ublicans-claim-lawmakers-loop-interrogations/


LOL

Looks like a lot of the dems new all about the interrogation techniques of the CIA, can hardly wait to see them throw each other under the bus.
 
Yeah this was in December of 2007. Great job being on the cutting edge of the news, both of you.

Webbway thinking this has just happened, and usc thinking that it isn't real.

You are both perfect specimens of the idiots of your respective parties.
 
I guess I'll repost my previous comment on this:

Fair enough but:

1) The Speech and Debate clause would prevent any prosecution of a member of Congress for leaking classified information;

2) Most of them didn't even attempt to make a secret condemnation of the program (with the possible exception of Harman); and

3) The Cons scream treason anyway, why should that matter?

This is just more evidence that most Democrats are spineless pansies that are too afraid to look "soft" to do what's right.


I'd also add that while it is nice that the Administration told a handful of members of Congress what it was doing and going to do without Congressional authorization in classified meetings, that's not how the system works.
 
Um, I thought that was exactly how the system worked. By law, the Speaker, Minority Leader, and ranking members of the intelligence committees had to be kept regularly informed. If Pelosi had really cared, which she obviously didn't, she could have brought it up because as you said they would be protected if they chose to bring it up for debate in Congress. What should have been done?
 
I guess I'll repost my previous comment on this:




I'd also add that while it is nice that the Administration told a handful of members of Congress what it was doing and going to do without Congressional authorization in classified meetings, that's not how the system works.

Most excellent response.

The "Gang of Eight" was not the US Congress, nor was it the Democratic Party.
 
So Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader and most powerful Democrat at the time, was not representative of the Democratic position?

Interesting.

I'll write that one down and remember it next time some idiot is making the much less reasonable case that Rush is the leader of the Republicans.
 
Um, I thought that was exactly how the system worked. By law, the Speaker, Minority Leader, and ranking members of the intelligence committees had to be kept regularly informed. If Pelosi had really cared, which she obviously didn't, she could have brought it up because as you said they would be protected if they chose to bring it up for debate in Congress. What should have been done?


The activities were illegal. Yes, those members have to be kept regularly informed, but informing those members in classified briefings doesn't magically render illegal activity legal. It's a clever way to add co-conspirators and turn the issue into a political football but it doesn't make the illegal policies legal. Nor does having some clever (and sick) lawyers in the DoJ paper up half cocked legal arguments covering your ass.

If the Bush Administration wanted to change the laws to allow torture the process involves . . . well, here:

 
Yeah this was in December of 2007. Great job being on the cutting edge of the news, both of you.

Webbway thinking this has just happened, and usc thinking that it isn't real.

You are both perfect specimens of the idiots of your respective parties.
Its appropriate in light of the new witch hunt by the Obama Administration. I would have tagged it onto the current tread about that though.
 
So Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader and most powerful Democrat at the time, was not representative of the Democratic position?

Interesting.

I'll write that one down and remember it next time some idiot is making the much less reasonable case that Rush is the leader of the Republicans.

I am not a Democrat, but clearly she has not listened to the people on many positions. She is not one I would vote for and I had hoped she would do things differently than she has done.
 
The activities were illegal. Yes, those members have to be kept regularly informed, but informing those members in classified briefings doesn't magically render illegal activity legal. It's a clever way to add co-conspirators and turn the issue into a political football but it doesn't make the illegal policies legal. Nor does having some clever (and sick) lawyers in the DoJ paper up half cocked legal arguments covering your ass.

If the Bush Administration wanted to change the laws to allow torture the process involves . . . well, here:

YouTube - Schoolhouse Rock- How a Bill Becomes a Law

So in your view, did Nancy Pelosi have any moral responsibility to do something with the information she received in 2002?

Or did she do the right thing by tucking the issue away for four years and then hypocritically using it as an attack on the Bush administration?
 
So Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader and most powerful Democrat at the time, was not representative of the Democratic position?

Interesting.

I'll write that one down and remember it next time some idiot is making the much less reasonable case that Rush is the leader of the Republicans.

Here's what you should really write down "Take a class on politics."

It would greatly improve your comprehension.

The term "Gang of Eight" gained wide currency in the coverage of the Bush administration's warrantless domestic spying program, in the context that no members of Congress other than the Gang of Eight were informed of the program, and they were forbidden to disseminate knowledge of the program to other members of Congress.

The Bush administration has asserted that the briefings delivered to the Gang of Eight sufficed to provide Congressional oversight of the program and preserve the checks and balances between the executive and legislative branches.

The non-partisan Congressional Research Service released a legal analysis on January 18, 2006, concluding that the Bush administration's refusal to brief any members of Congress on the warrantless domestic spying program other than the Gang of Eight is "inconsistent with the law."
 
For the record, I do agree that Bush was cleverly using the issue as a political football and I do not at all absolve him from responsibility for initiating this.

However, it is the duty of the opposition to blow the whistle when there is illegal activity like this. If they will not do that when they have the information to do so, what good is the requirement that they be briefed? Or even, what good is a two party system at all, if the opposition does not check the abuses of the party in power.

I sort of expect massive power grabs by presidents and parties in power, but I also expect those power grabs to be exposed and resisted by the opposition party. They failed spectactularly in their one responsibility.
 
So in your view, did Nancy Pelosi have any moral responsibility to do something with the information she received in 2002?

Or did she do the right thing by tucking the issue away for four years and then hypocritically using it as an attack on the Bush administration?

Had she come out and told what she was hearing in the briefings she would have been attacked by people who claim she was releasing classified information during a time of war.

Shouldn't the question be why did the Bush Administration limit this information to so few?

Isn't this just like Bush's "signing agreements?"

Sign a law with your fingers crossed then change your mind .. in secret?
 
Had she come out and told what she was hearing in the briefings she would have been attacked by people who claim she was releasing classified information during a time of war.

Shouldn't the question be why did the Bush Administration limit this information to so few?

Isn't this just like Bush's "signing agreements?"

Sign a law with your fingers crossed then change your mind .. in secret?

As Dungheap so helpfully noted: she may have been attacked but her right to bring the information forward was legally protected.

If she had felt strongly enough about it, she could have. She didn't.
 
I am not a Democrat, but clearly she has not listened to the people on many positions. She is not one I would vote for and I had hoped she would do things differently than she has done.

I'm not a democrat either and NO fan of Pelosi. I have very good reasons to hate her .. but she can't be blamed for the illegal and disasterous macinations of the Bush Administration.
 
I'm not a democrat either and NO fan of Pelosi. I have very good reasons to hate her .. but she can't be blamed for the illegal and disasterous macinations of the Bush Administration.

Actually yes. She can. Not an even 50-50 split in the blame, but still significant.

Bush began it, but it took the cooperation of top Democrats to keep it going for six years.
 
As Dungheap so helpfully noted: she may have been attacked but her right to bring the information forward was legally protected.

If she had felt strongly enough about it, she could have. She didn't.

Who knew what was legal during the Bush Administration when they were making up "legal" as they went along destroying the country.

I absolutely agree that democrats are wimps and cowards .. and I've stated that many times here. However, the blame belongs to the Bush Administration, not the few politicians, republicans or democrats, who were given SOME information and threatened with prison if they revealed it.
 
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