Democrats Try to Knock Out No Labels

[cawacko]

Be it a movement or an individual, matters little, sounds great, I’d agree 100%, but it isn’t real given the election calendar, and would only be a spoiler, one capitalized by the party with everything to gain

Third parties, or alternatives, don’t start at the top one year out, rather are built locally and build up from there, and they have to represent something more than just not likely either candidate

Admittedly I'm not well versed in the history of attempting to start new political parties so I can't speak to the best strategy being starting local or nationally. And I would imagine any new party is likely to be only a potential spoiler at first in the sense they probably won't win right away, but that's to be expected. If you're trying to build something it usually doesn't happen overnight. The question is whether you can build something sustainable or are you an overnight flash.

On one hand America is the greatest country in the world so I am not in the 'we need to burn it down and start over' camp. However IF polling is accurate it shows people frustrated with our current situation/set up. Therefore, in a democracy we claim to be, a group like No Labels has a chance to compete and give people an alterative they claim they desire. If they determine they don't want them that's fine.

But I understand why they are starting at the top as opposed to local races. Try and get name recognition nationally and have it filter downwards (Congress, state, local races etc.)

 

[cawacko]

No, not every election is like this. And you had better wake up to that fact. There is an anti-democracy fascist on the ballot. If he gets in, no labels won't mean jack. Day one, Trump pardons every J6 rioter. He will use the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers as his jackboot thugs. He will declare martial law, shut down the press, take control of the internet, and the feckless fucks in Congress will do NOTHING. Mike Flynn as SecDef. Steven Miller as SOS. Withdrawal from NATO and support for Putin. Every position in his administration filled with yes men. Don't think he can do this? I have news for you. They are planning it already.

But you go ahead and show how dissatisfied with the two party system you are and vote for a No Labels candidate. You will get your way. There will be one party. Nazis. This is what you will reap if you sow a third party candidacy. The fear of then has NOTHING to do with Biden. You honestly don't get that? You are really this naive? Holy crap, we are in real trouble.

If it helps you out, I live in California. My vote means nothing. Biden (or whomever the Democratic nominee may be) will win the state by millions. It will not be close.

The other irony here is I have received a whole lot of sh*t from Republican friends for voting Libertarian the past two Presidential elections. They told me I voted for Hillary and am responsible for Biden being President (even though again, how I vote means nothing). So there's irony to being lectured by a Democrat over not voting for Biden.

The whole conversation screams out why people desire an additional option. I feel like we should all put quotes around democracy when people talk about it because this is all basically a monopoly and a fear of competition.

And I definitely do not mean to put words in your mouth, so my apologies if I am doing so, but I'm pretty sure you have stated on several occasions that 2024 will be a route. If true, why the concern over how a Republican in California will vote? If California is in play then the election will long be over.