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AProudLefty said:
If I recall correctly, it's about rehabilitation. An improvement in the penal system if you will.
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you do not start an argument for prison reform by saying divest from prisons.

I'm absolutely pro prison reform. Turn divest from means to sell off assets and invest less you can't reform something if you're taking money away from it.

You do not recall correctly.


That's quite a claim.
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number two and number six on their list of demands. It's based strictly on what I've read.


Obviously you haven't been to their official site.
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Yes I have it's one of those little news blogs like now this that specialize in hatchet jobs ever since it was taking over but what I suspect is the mainstream media. That really seems to be who supports these little molliscum media outlets.
 
Arks&sparka said:
you do not start an argument for prison reform by saying divest from prisons.

I'm absolutely pro prison reform. Turn divest from means to sell off assets and invest less you can't reform something if you're taking money away from it.

You do not recall correctly.


number two and number six on their list of demands. It's based strictly on what I've read.



Yes I have it's one of those little news blogs like now this that specialize in hatchet jobs ever since it was taking over but what I suspect is the mainstream media. That really seems to be who supports these little molliscum media outlets.
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https://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf
 
AProudLefty said:
The word "Black Lives Matter" is right there on the first page.
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So what? black lives matter the organization is fundamentally different than black lives matter the statement.

BLM the organization since I have to draw that distinction has nothing to do with racist police. It never has.
 
Arks&sparka said:
So what? black lives matter the organization is fundamentally different than black lives matter the statement.

BLM the organization since I have to draw that distinction has nothing to do with racist police. It never has.
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Ah so this "organization" is different from other groups? Hmm.

Is it like when a BLM leader said she was a trained Marxist, whatever that means? That means this "organization" is Marxist? But not the other groups or chapters?
 
AProudLefty said:
Ah so this "organization" is different from other groups? Hmm.
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I think that depends on the group. Are they different from the boy scouts yes are they different from The sovereign citizens not very much.
Is it like when a BLM leader said she was a trained Marxist, whatever that means? That means this "organization" is Marxist? But not the other groups or chapters?
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BLM in general is marxist. that's not because their leader is that's because of the things they espoused.
 
Arks&sparka said:
I think that depends on the group. Are they different from the boy scouts yes are they different from The sovereign citizens not very much.
BLM in general is marxist. that's not because their leader is that's because of the things they espoused.
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Do you think many BLM members of different BLM groups and chapters read and understand Karl Marx/Engels?

Do you think many of them advocate violence?

If you ask a BLM member those questions, what do you expect their answers would be?
 
AProudLefty said:
Do you think many BLM members of different BLM groups and chapters read and understand Karl Marx/Engels?
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they wouldn't have to in order for the organization to be Marxist.
Do you think many of them advocate violence?
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they aren't denouncing it while identifying with them so yes.
If you ask a BLM member those questions, what do you expect their answers would be?
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I expect to be called a racist. Followed by chants. That seems to be my experience.
 
AProudLefty said:
Again with that "organization". You realize there are many groups and chapters?
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why in the hell would you identify with a Marxist organization if you're not Marxist? if you're a chapter in a Marxist organization you are participating in Marxism.

You can say there's all these different groups what they have in common is that they identify with a Marxist organization.


False. Many have denounced it.
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not enough to denounce the organization responsible. That's like denouncing killing infidels but not denouncing isis.


Anecdote. ;)
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You asked me what I would expect their answers to be. I told you what they answer. If you don't want to know what I would expect based on experience then why did you ask?
 
Arks&sparka said:
why in the hell would you identify with a Marxist organization if you're not Marxist? if you're a chapter in a Marxist organization you are participating in Marxism.
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So are you saying that they should name their chapters differently? That goes back to my point about the pro-life groups.

You asked me what I would expect their answers to be. I told you what they answer. If you don't want to know what I would expect based on experience then why did you ask?
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I cannot know if you're telling me the truth. It's kinda a rhetorical question. How many black people do you know support riots and looting? I haven't met one yet.
 
Arks&sparka said:
they wouldn't have to in order for the organization to be Marxist.
they aren't denouncing it while identifying with them so yes.

I expect to be called a racist. Followed by chants. That seems to be my experience.
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So many years and dollars have been spent branding garbage tags to be used to destroy those who refuse to conform to the demands of power.
 
AProudLefty said:
So are you saying that they should name their chapters differently?
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no I'm saying they shouldn't identify with a Marxist organization if they're not Marxist. that's like identifying with a Jewish organization when you're not Jewish.

The point is they're Marxist that's why they identify with this organization.
That goes back to my point about the pro-life groups.
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No it doesn't. If every single time there was a pro-life March there were buildings burned down stores looted, and people killed then yes.

Whataboutism isn't going to work here.


I cannot know if you're telling me the truth.
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you asked me what I thought? why would I lie to you about what I thought?
It's kinda a rhetorical question. How many black people do you know support riots and looting? I haven't met one yet.
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yes me either most black people I know denounce black lives matter they don't want to be identified with that. It's a Marxist organization and they aren't Marxist.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So many years and dollars have been spent branding garbage tags to be used to destroy those who refuse to conform to the demands of power.
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Well when people start streaming racist Nazi or fascist at you it's not really about you, it's about signifying to the other sheep that they are not to talk to you. It's very much a cult tactic.
 
Arks&sparka said:
no I'm saying they shouldn't identify with a Marxist organization if they're not Marxist. that's like identifying with a Jewish organization when you're not Jewish.

The point is they're Marxist that's why they identify with this organization.
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So they should call themselves Non-Marxist BLM or some other shit? ;)

No it doesn't. If every single time there was a pro-life March there were buildings burned down stores looted, and people killed then yes.

Whataboutism isn't going to work here.
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It isn't a whataboutism. It's a comparison. Rioting pales in comparison to bombing and mass shooting. But we don't hear people screaming about pro-life groups, do we?

you asked me what I thought? why would I lie to you about what I thought? yes me either most black people I know denounce black lives matter they don't want to be identified with that. It's a Marxist organization and they aren't Marxist.
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I didn't say you lied. I trust you and I think you're honest.
 
AProudLefty said:
So they should call themselves Non-Marxist BLM or some other shit? ;)
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okay I'll try and make this as simple as possible.

I don't want to be identified with an organization that thinks the white race is superior and should be the only race here so I don't call myself a Neo-Nazi.

I don't agree with the ku Klux Klan therefore I don't identify with the ku Klux Klan if I did you would think I'd agreed with them right?


It isn't a whataboutism. It's a comparison.
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okay show me the three months of rioting caused by a pro-life organization, how many Wendy's did they burn down how many targets did they loot?

Doesn't seem like much of a comparison to me
Rioting pales in comparison to bombing and mass shooting. But we don't hear people screaming about pro-life groups, do we?
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If you can find me entire groups that have done this then you'll have a point.


I didn't say you lied. I trust you and I think you're honest.
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so when you asked me when I think then point out that stating what I think is based on anecdotes what was the point of that?
 
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