Democrats = failed ideas, still running against bush

Damocles said:
Your insistence that he is a "hero" is based on wishes rather than reality. Bush was the bane of the R party, many of those stalwarts understand it now. What I have stated the past 9 years is the reality. Bush wasn't even a conservative, let alone one that could be called a "hero"...

Your entire argument is based on saying "worship" and "hero", the data supports what I have stated. We have twin apologists. I think you'll find any attempt by the Ds to establish another campaign against Bush to be ineffective.
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Hilarious. Now Bush was never a conservative. Damo's doubling down on the crazy. That's awesome.
 
Damocles said:
Your insistence that he is a "hero" is based on wishes rather than reality. Bush was the bane of the R party, many of those stalwarts understand it now. What I have stated the past 9 years is the reality. Bush wasn't even a conservative, let alone one that could be called a "hero"...

Your entire argument is based on saying "worship" and "hero", the data supports what I have stated. We have twin apologists. I think you'll find any attempt by the Ds to establish another campaign against Bush to be ineffective.
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This is madcap hilarity.

Damo - it doesn't matter what "you have stated over the course of 9 years." What matters is how Bush was viewed by the vast majority of conservatives & conservative leaders over those years.

You're in denial. He was absolutely adored.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The polling data didn't support anything that you said. I'm not really interested in arguing about this with you. I know how you operate. You'll just keep saying the same things over and over and over again without any factual basis.

I can always tell when you've reached that point. That's when you break out either "inane," "hack" or "apologist." It's sad, really.
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Rubbish. I even told you exactly how it did.

I wish you were my opponent in the Championships... You give me data that supports my opinion and otherwise post unsupported garbage like this.

I can tell when I've won with you, it is when you start into the bad ad homs.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Hilarious. Now Bush was never a conservative. Damo's doubling down on the crazy. That's awesome.
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Can you tell me honestly that I haven't said that for the past 9 years? You and I both know you can't.

Bush is no conservative. I argued it ad infinitum with "Jarod" nee Alexfla. I'll continue to argue it almost invariably with an uber-liberal who is desperately trying to still run against Bush.

You still ignore the past. I'm good with that, continue to keep yourself in deliberate ignorance. I truly hope your party leadership does that too. But I have argued that Bush wasn't a conservative before it became cool to point it out....
 
Damocles said:
Can you tell me honestly that I haven't said that for the past 9 years? You and I both know you can't.

Bush is no conservative. I argued it ad infinitum with "Jarod" nee Alexfla. I'll continue to argue it almost invariably with an uber-liberal who is desperately trying to still run against Bush.

You still ignore the past. I'm good with that, continue to keep yourself in deliberate ignorance. I truly hope your party leadership does that too. But I have argued that Bush wasn't a conservative before it became cool to point it out....
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Here, you seem to be getting it better. Again - I don't really care what you argued. I know you didn't like Bush.

But conservatives did, until they didn't (which was, when he became a lame duck).

Thanks.
 
Yurt said:
Obama attacks Bush policies in Bush's home state

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) – President Barack Obama attacked the economic policies of his Republican predecessor George W. Bush in Bush's home state on Monday as evidence of the way Republicans would operate if given power in November 2 U.S. congressional elections.

At a fund-raising event for Democrats in Dallas, where Bush now lives, Obama said the former president's "disastrous" policies had driven the U.S. economy into the ground and turned budget surpluses into deficits.

Obama defended his repeated references to Bush's policies, saying they were necessary to remind Americans of the weak economy he inherited from Bush in January 2009.

"The policies that crashed the economy, that undercut the middle class, that mortgaged our future, do we really want to go back to that, or do we keep moving our country forward?" Obama said at another fund-raising event in Austin, referring to Bush's eight years as president.

In reminding voters about the policies of the unpopular Bush, Obama is trying to protect his fellow Democrats' majorities in Congress and limit anticipated Republican gains.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_elections_obama

does obama need a tissue?
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Sound like all the libtards here.
 
Onceler said:
This is madcap hilarity.

Damo - it doesn't matter what "you have stated over the course of 9 years." What matters is how Bush was viewed by the vast majority of conservatives & conservative leaders over those years.

You're in denial. He was absolutely adored.
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actually, its you who are in denial....support for bush among conservatives was ever decreasing over the course of his second term...
 
Yurt said:
actually, its you who are in denial....support for bush among conservatives was ever decreasing over the course of his second term...
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Like I said (at least twice) - when he was a lame duck, which was the 2nd half of his 2nd term.

I'm glad you & Damo & I are all in agreement on this.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Is there an actual point in there somewhere that is responsive to anything I wrote in this thread? If so, I can't seem to find it.
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yes, there is, but as usual you were not intelligent enough to grasp the point.

You provided a statistic that showed '72% of conservative Republicans liked Bush in 2008'.

I pointed out that the number of self identified Republicans was diminishing during Bush's term. Meaning those that identified themselves as 'conservative Republicans' in 2008 were likely only the die hard right wingers. They were not the typical conservatives that had left the party (or at least no longer identified themselves as such).
 
Onceler said:
The base adored Bush until he was a lame duck; period. He was a rock star among Republicans.
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fixed that for you. You can choose to replace Republican with the Religious Right.... but pretending true conservatives thought Bush was a rock star is nothing short of absurd.
 
Onceler said:
Your denial of his being a conservative hero is laughable. I spent the better part of 8 years wondering how a whole group of voters could blindly worship that guy.

Your revisionist history knows no bounds.
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This is because you were immersed in Koolaid for 8 years, and believed whatever Keith Olbermann told you to. There was no "blind worship" ...even from ME, the King of Bush Lovers! I was very vocal about Bush squandering away the Vouchers Program conservatives supported in the Ed Bill, and instead, letting Teddy Kennedy craft HIS ideas into a bill. This was EARLY in his presidency. Before he was elected, I objected to the Pill Bill, and I still think that is where the Republicans started veering from the principles of conservative government, and began entertaining the idiotic principles of the left. Still, in comparing between Bush and Gore, or Bush and Kerry, I would prefer Bush, and would still vote the same way again, if that were my choices. I don't believe in voting 3rd party, it's a total waste of your vote for the sake of ideological principle, and that, to me, is stupid.
 
Yurt said:
actually, its you who are in denial....support for bush among conservatives was ever decreasing over the course of his second term...
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because you realized he lied to you? You shoulda known that in 2000. What makes you think Bush's base and the Republicons aren't still lying to you?
 
Dixie said:
This is because you were immersed in Koolaid for 8 years, and believed whatever Keith Olbermann told you to. There was no "blind worship" ...even from ME, the King of Bush Lovers! I was very vocal about Bush squandering away the Vouchers Program conservatives supported in the Ed Bill, and instead, letting Teddy Kennedy craft HIS ideas into a bill. This was EARLY in his presidency. Before he was elected, I objected to the Pill Bill, and I still think that is where the Republicans started veering from the principles of conservative government, and began entertaining the idiotic principles of the left. Still, in comparing between Bush and Gore, or Bush and Kerry, I would prefer Bush, and would still vote the same way again, if that were my choices. I don't believe in voting 3rd party, it's a total waste of your vote for the sake of ideological principle, and that, to me, is stupid.
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Like I said, Rebel - ya ain't foolin' anyone.

Do you think we weren't on these boards during the Bush admin?
 
Onceler said:
Like I said, Rebel - ya ain't foolin' anyone.

Do you think we weren't on these boards during the Bush admin?
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And AGAIN, like I said Lummox, there are posts by me condemning Bush for a whole lot of things over the course of his presidency. I mentioned the Pill Bill and the Education Bill, there was also the "jobs Americans won't do" stance on illegal immigration, there was Harriet Myers, and the establishment of TSA and Department of Homeland Security in the wake of 9/11. The place I think Bush dropped the ball most on, was not defending his position on Iraq and WMD's, and allowing the Liberals to dominate the debate.

I can find a whole lot of stuff I didn't ever like about Bush, but I'm with Damo, if you want to believe running against Bush this time is a smart strategy... GO FOR IT!
 
Like I said, Rebel...
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And Lummox, I don't know why you are suddenly mentioning the screen name of my friend, who posted several times when I was away from the board. I know you believe that was actually ME posting under another name, and I've already said, that's fine if you want to believe that, it doesn't bother me. But for the record, you are on like your third name, at least... I know you as Lorax, or as I affectionately called you "Lummox." I believe you had another moniker before that, maybe more... but the thing is, why would someone who has posted under multiple names, try to denigrate someone by pointing out their supposed alias? It is kind of like Bill Clinton condemning someone for getting blow jobs, it doesn't make a lick of sense. Do you just behave as an absolute hypocrite because you're bored, or what?
 
The difference, Reb, is that I changed my name for fun on the new forum, and hid it from no one. I also didn't lie about it.

And ya ain't foolin' anyone, Reb. The love Bush post wasn't sarcastic; nor were the thousands of posts you made in worshipping defense of his incompetence.
 
The difference, Reb, is that I changed my name for fun on the new forum, and hid it from no one. I also didn't lie about it.

And ya ain't foolin' anyone, Reb. The love Bush post wasn't sarcastic; nor were the thousands of posts you made in worshipping defense of his incompetence.
 
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