Democrats and Rural Voters

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The NYT has an article called "What Democrats Don’t Understand About Rural America" looking at why Democrats are failing to win with rural voters:

In the story, a rural woman in Maine said that she'd been
undecided between Clinton and Trump until Election Day but voted for Trump because, at the Republican convention, he talked about regular American working people and Clinton didn’t at her convention.

So, is that true?

We have the transcripts telling us exactly what each candidate said at the convention. Clinton spoke of "working people" four times, Trump once. For Trump, it was a one-liner about how his (slum-lord) father taught him to respect working people. For Clinton, those four references were part of the main section of her speech, which served as its central theme, talking about the struggles of working people and what the government could do to help:

"I’ve gone around our country talking to working families. And I’ve heard from so many of you who feel like the economy just isn’t working. Some of you are frustrated – even furious. And you know what??? You’re right. It’s not yet working the way it should. Americans are willing to work – and work hard. But right now, an awful lot of people feel there is less and less respect for the work they do. And less respect for them, period. Democrats are the party of working people. But we haven’t done a good enough job showing that we get what you’re going through, and that we’re going to do something about it. So I want to tell you tonight how we will empower Americans to live better lives. My primary mission as President will be to create more opportunity and more good jobs with rising wages right here in the United States… From my first day in office to my last! Especially in places that for too long have been left out and left behind. From our inner cities to our small towns, from Indian Country to Coal Country. From communities ravaged by addiction to regions hollowed out by plant closures..... Whatever party you belong to, or if you belong to no party at all, if you share these beliefs, this is your campaign. If you believe that companies should share profits with their workers, not pad executive bonuses, join us. If you believe the minimum wage should be a living wage… and no one working full time should have to raise their children in poverty… join us. If you believe that every man, woman, and child in America has the right to affordable health care…join us.... And yes, if you believe that your working mother, wife, sister, or daughter deserves equal pay… join us… Let’s make sure this economy works for everyone, not just those at the top.

Again and again she spoke about working people -- her own mother working as a house maid at age 14, hard-working immigrants, those with hopes of starting a small business who can't get bank loans to finance their dreams, and the working people Trump had stiffed over the years, as he regularly refused to pay his bills in full, forcing contractors to negotiate or litigate to get paid what he owed them. Then she went through a long list of specific plans, all built around the needs of working people.

Trump, by comparison, was five pages into his speech before he even got around to talking about jobs. His speech focused first and most on "violence in the streets and chaos in our communities." Time and again, it was about "terrorism and lawlessness." His promises were focused not around economic ideas for working people, but rather "appointing the best prosecutors and law enforcement," while fighting immigration.

So, I think we can say with confidence that the interviewed rural woman was lying about why she chose to vote for Trump. As a simple matter of FACT, Hillary Clinton spoke far more extensively about working people than Trump did. Trump ran on fear -- fear of Black people running wild in inner cities, fear of Hispanic immigrants, and fear of Muslim terrorists. Fear of the unfamiliar was the core theme of his speech, and that's what won over the rural voters.
 
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Sounds like the Maine person was making up shit to justify voting for the bankrupt and corrupt IMPOTUSx2. I'd bet you anything that she never paid any attention to Clinton's campaign, and got all her "facts" from Fox. Typical low-info Trumpanzee.
 
I think this shows an unfortunate thing about the corporate media:

The NYT let themselves be used as a soap box from which to smear Hillary Clinton, with the idea she lost because she failed to talk about working people at her convention. That talking point harmonizes with the groupthink of corporate media types.... but, as anyone can see just by reviewing the conventions, it's simply not true.

Trump didn't run on the economic troubles of rural people or the working class. He ran on cultural wedge issues and fear of crime, terrorism, and immigrants, specifically. The corporate media is utterly committed to this idea that Democrats lose because they ignore the economic troubles of white blue collar people. But the simple fact is they don't actually ignore those things. They talk about them far more often and in greater detail than the Republicans, while proposing a lot more policies focused on addressing those things (minimum wage hikes, child care subsidies, infrastructure investment, and so on).

What Democrats don't do as much or as well as Republicans is play to xenophobia and bigotry, and that makes a big difference among undereducated voters, especially white, rural ones. It's considered gauche among corporate media types to acknowledge the role of that fearmongering in elections, since they're committed to this vision of white, working class, small-town people as pillars of salt-of-the-earth decency. So, the media types just keep gravitating back to these "Dems neglect the working class" talking points, no matter how much they rely on clearly factually incorrect statements like those they trumpeted in the NYT article.
 
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Sounds like the Maine person was making up shit to justify voting for the bankrupt and corrupt IMPOTUSx2. I'd bet you anything that she never paid any attention to Clinton's campaign, and got all her "facts" from Fox. Typical low-info Trumpanzee.

Exactly. I'd love to show up at her door with a transcript of each of the convention speeches and ask her to circle the parts in each talking about working people. She'd find that she'd circled a one-sentence line from Trump, and about half of Hillary Clinton's speech. But, rural Maine is extremely ethnically homogenous. It's the kind of place they make racist jokes about French Canadians, because that's about as much diversity as you can find in the area. And when you live somewhere without Black people, or Hispanics, or Muslims, it's not hard to get frightened about them, when a fearmonger like Trump goes to work on you. His vision of urban America descending into a violent, multi-ethnic chaos is tailor made to win the votes of the low-information voters.
 
I think she was lying about being an "undecided" voter, and she was planning to vote for Trump all along.

There are plenty of conservatives on this forum who claimed to be dubious about Trump, but that Clinton "forced" them to cast a ballot for Trump in the end.


Trump is just such a sleazebag, such a reprehensible human being nobody outside the hardcore MAGA cult is going to confess being an ardent Trump supporter.
 
I don't have to read that to know the answer. You sit there and call them deplorables then act surprised that you don't get more of their vote? It's really not different than Republicans and the rhetoric they have used about groups who votes they don't get in large numbers.

It seems human nature to me that if you don't think there is a lot of difference between two groups that voters would lean towards the one who at least gives lip service to caring (or doesn't speak negatively about you).


Edit: I don't Mott doesn't post all that frequently anymore but he's had excellent answers to this in the past
 
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I think she was lying about being an "undecided" voter, and she was planning to vote for Trump all along.

There are plenty of conservatives on this forum who claimed to be dubious about Trump, but that Clinton "forced" them to cast a ballot for Trump in the end.


Trump is just such a sleazebag, such a reprehensible human being nobody outside the hardcore MAGA cult is going to confess being an ardent Trump supporter.

I agree with you. Her "reasoning" is such a smoking gun, too, since we can go to the transcripts and see how dramatically wrong her assertion is. It would be akin to her saying she was undecided but then decided to vote for Trump when she realized Hillary Clinton had never actually held public office before. If you want to announce to the country that you're a liar and also too stupid to lie convincingly, that's a great way to do it.
 
I don't have to read that to know the answer.

There's the Republican mindset in an nutshell: start with the conclusion and simply assume all evidence must be in support of it. Don't ever bother actually reading.
 
There's the Republican mindset in an nutshell: start with the conclusion and simply assume all evidence must be in support of it. Don't ever bother actually reading.

Feel free to tell me where my response was wrong. I'm all ears.
 
It has nothing to do with being 'rural'. Plenty of rural Blacks in the southern States.

Maine Demographics
White: 94.31% Two or more races: 2.23% Black or African American: 1.38% Asian: 1.13%
 
It has nothing to do with being 'rural'. Plenty of rural Blacks in the southern States.

Maine Demographics
White: 94.31% Two or more races: 2.23% Black or African American: 1.38% Asian: 1.13%

As very white as Maine is, overall, it's even whiter in rural parts of the state. Like Somerset County is 96.4% white. Piscataquis County has about 100 Black people, total.
 
The NYT has an article called "What Democrats Don’t Understand About Rural America" looking at why Democrats are failing to win with rural voters:

In the story, a rural woman in Maine said that she'd been
undecided between Clinton and Trump until Election Day but voted for Trump because, at the Republican convention, he talked about regular American working people and Clinton didn’t at her convention.

So, is that true?

We have the transcripts telling us exactly what each candidate said at the convention. Clinton spoke of "working people" four times, Trump once. For Trump, it was a one-liner about how his (slum-lord) father taught him to respect working people. For Clinton, those four references were part of the main section of her speech, which served as its central theme, talking about the struggles of working people and what the government could do to help:

"I’ve gone around our country talking to working families. And I’ve heard from so many of you who feel like the economy just isn’t working. Some of you are frustrated – even furious. And you know what??? You’re right. It’s not yet working the way it should. Americans are willing to work – and work hard. But right now, an awful lot of people feel there is less and less respect for the work they do. And less respect for them, period. Democrats are the party of working people. But we haven’t done a good enough job showing that we get what you’re going through, and that we’re going to do something about it. So I want to tell you tonight how we will empower Americans to live better lives. My primary mission as President will be to create more opportunity and more good jobs with rising wages right here in the United States… From my first day in office to my last! Especially in places that for too long have been left out and left behind. From our inner cities to our small towns, from Indian Country to Coal Country. From communities ravaged by addiction to regions hollowed out by plant closures..... Whatever party you belong to, or if you belong to no party at all, if you share these beliefs, this is your campaign. If you believe that companies should share profits with their workers, not pad executive bonuses, join us. If you believe the minimum wage should be a living wage… and no one working full time should have to raise their children in poverty… join us. If you believe that every man, woman, and child in America has the right to affordable health care…join us.... And yes, if you believe that your working mother, wife, sister, or daughter deserves equal pay… join us… Let’s make sure this economy works for everyone, not just those at the top.

Again and again she spoke about working people -- her own mother working as a house maid at age 14, hard-working immigrants, those with hopes of starting a small business who can't get bank loans to finance their dreams, and the working people Trump had stiffed over the years, as he regularly refused to pay his bills in full, forcing contractors to negotiate or litigate to get paid what he owed them. Then she went through a long list of specific plans, all built around the needs of working people.

Trump, by comparison, was five pages into his speech before he even got around to talking about jobs. His speech focused first and most on "violence in the streets and chaos in our communities." Time and again, it was about "terrorism and lawlessness." His promises were focused not around economic ideas for working people, but rather "appointing the best prosecutors and law enforcement," while fighting immigration.

So, I think we can say with confidence that the interviewed rural woman was lying about why she chose to vote for Trump. As a simple matter of FACT, Hillary Clinton spoke far more extensively about working people than Trump did. Trump ran on fear -- fear of Black people running wild in inner cities, fear of Hispanic immigrants, and fear of Muslim terrorists. Fear of the unfamiliar was the core theme of his speech, and that's what won over the rural voters.

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They missed the part where Clinton talked all that shit, but was getting $500 hair-dos. Also insulting half the country didn't go well for her.

"Deplorables" and "Flyover country" people seem to be held in disdain by Democrats.
 
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It has nothing to do with being 'rural'. Plenty of rural Blacks in the southern States.

Maine Demographics
White: 94.31% Two or more races: 2.23% Black or African American: 1.38% Asian: 1.13%

Maine is all-white and Democrats. It's really lower Canada.
 
Maine is different State, along the coast resembles New England, inland, Alabama

Democrats didn’t lose rural voters, they never really had them, and with only twenty percent of the US population classified as rural, they are even less rural Democrats than previously
 
I think she was lying about being an "undecided" voter, and she was planning to vote for Trump all along.

There are plenty of conservatives on this forum who claimed to be dubious about Trump, but that Clinton "forced" them to cast a ballot for Trump in the end.

is that your emotional balm you use to justify your BS rants? you should then dig deeper in to the election fraud perpetrated by the jorgensen and hawkins campaigns
 
The NYT has an article called "What Democrats Don’t Understand About Rural America" looking at why Democrats are failing to win with rural voters:

In the story, a rural woman in Maine said that she'd been
undecided between Clinton and Trump until Election Day but voted for Trump because, at the Republican convention, he talked about regular American working people and Clinton didn’t at her convention.

So, is that true?

We have the transcripts telling us exactly what each candidate said at the convention. Clinton spoke of "working people" four times, Trump once. For Trump, it was a one-liner about how his (slum-lord) father taught him to respect working people. For Clinton, those four references were part of the main section of her speech, which served as its central theme, talking about the struggles of working people and what the government could do to help:

"I’ve gone around our country talking to working families. And I’ve heard from so many of you who feel like the economy just isn’t working. Some of you are frustrated – even furious. And you know what??? You’re right. It’s not yet working the way it should. Americans are willing to work – and work hard. But right now, an awful lot of people feel there is less and less respect for the work they do. And less respect for them, period. Democrats are the party of working people. But we haven’t done a good enough job showing that we get what you’re going through, and that we’re going to do something about it. So I want to tell you tonight how we will empower Americans to live better lives. My primary mission as President will be to create more opportunity and more good jobs with rising wages right here in the United States… From my first day in office to my last! Especially in places that for too long have been left out and left behind. From our inner cities to our small towns, from Indian Country to Coal Country. From communities ravaged by addiction to regions hollowed out by plant closures..... Whatever party you belong to, or if you belong to no party at all, if you share these beliefs, this is your campaign. If you believe that companies should share profits with their workers, not pad executive bonuses, join us. If you believe the minimum wage should be a living wage… and no one working full time should have to raise their children in poverty… join us. If you believe that every man, woman, and child in America has the right to affordable health care…join us.... And yes, if you believe that your working mother, wife, sister, or daughter deserves equal pay… join us… Let’s make sure this economy works for everyone, not just those at the top.

Again and again she spoke about working people -- her own mother working as a house maid at age 14, hard-working immigrants, those with hopes of starting a small business who can't get bank loans to finance their dreams, and the working people Trump had stiffed over the years, as he regularly refused to pay his bills in full, forcing contractors to negotiate or litigate to get paid what he owed them. Then she went through a long list of specific plans, all built around the needs of working people.

Trump, by comparison, was five pages into his speech before he even got around to talking about jobs. His speech focused first and most on "violence in the streets and chaos in our communities." Time and again, it was about "terrorism and lawlessness." His promises were focused not around economic ideas for working people, but rather "appointing the best prosecutors and law enforcement," while fighting immigration.

So, I think we can say with confidence that the interviewed rural woman was lying about why she chose to vote for Trump. As a simple matter of FACT, Hillary Clinton spoke far more extensively about working people than Trump did. Trump ran on fear -- fear of Black people running wild in inner cities, fear of Hispanic immigrants, and fear of Muslim terrorists. Fear of the unfamiliar was the core theme of his speech, and that's what won over the rural voters.
and thn she didnt campaign in the "workin people districts"
what really cooked her goose was her message - not much of anything except 1st woman

Trump talked about brownfields, bringing back jobs etc.
Oh and China -trump messgae went directly to malign trade practices by China
 
I don't have to read that to know the answer. You sit there and call them deplorables then act surprised that you don't get more of their vote? It's really not different than Republicans and the rhetoric they have used about groups who votes they don't get in large numbers.

It seems human nature to me that if you don't think there is a lot of difference between two groups that voters would lean towards the one who at least gives lip service to caring (or doesn't speak negatively about you).


Edit: I don't Mott doesn't post all that frequently anymore but he's had excellent answers to this in the past

The only person to ever describe anyone as “deplorable” was Clinton when she referred to a very small portion of the right, and she was right as we’ve since them, yet the term has been demagogued by the right to reinforce the martyr complex which appeals so much to many in the base. The left does the same, but not to that degree

And while your here, given recent developments, I got to admit that I was wrong about USC football prospects, my opinion was formed long before NIL, Transfer portals, and NIL collectives soliciting and buying players, appears Reggie Bush was way ahead of his time
 
Reading that article doesn't change a word I said.

I wouldn't expect it to. As I said, the Republican mindset is to start with the conclusion. I can't remember the last one I encountered whose mind could be changed even a little by evidence.
 
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