Democrats and Rural Voters

[PostmodernProphet]

Try to focus, little one. The argument here isn't that liberals know what rural people think.

of course not......it's about lib'ruls thinking they have a right to tell rural people what they think........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I didn't call him a Republican. Have you considered taking an adult-education course to improve your reading skills?

lol.....you were just calling him a lib'rul with a Republican mindset?.......okay, got it.......

 

[Matt Dillon]

Wages shot up dramatically in that era. What makes you think they didn't in skilled labor areas? Be specific, please.

Large crews of illegals undermined small crews of skilled labor in terms of price, driving the prices for and quality of work done down.

This affected most construction-related contracting. Plumbing and electrical not so much for whatever reason.

I'm betting you weren't alive back then. I lived it.

 

[Mina]

right. i care first about americans.

but slavery is still a bad deal for chinese slaves. i care about them second.

Life has gotten DRAMATICALLY better for most Chinese people in this era of global trade. Take a look at pretty much any social or economic stat for the country and compare the pre-MFN era to today. While there are some Chinese people who are horribly mistreated, like their Muslim minorities, generally speaking people are vastly better off than they'd be if the West took a protectionist approach to trade. And, of course, we're better off, too. If you want to see higher inflation, cut off cheap Chinese goods.

 

[Mina]

Have you considered getting a job?

I work for a living. Can you say the same?

 

[Mina]

of course not......it's about lib'ruls thinking they have a right to tell rural people what they think........

No, dummy. It is about a corporate newspaper pushing a claim that is clearly and demonstrably wrong.

 

[Matt Dillon]

They may depress them when it comes to low-skill entry-level jobs. But unless we bring in higher-skill labor, it won't have that impact on higher-skill entry-level work.



Deal with your crippling inferiority complex. I said nothing of the sort, so your wacky response just puts your damaged self esteem on display.



Not only do they provide valuable services, but they provide tax revenues as well, and thus are a double boost on the economy.

Maybe sales tax, but they steal Social Security numbers to be able to work, derp!

Meanwhile, they get section 8 housing and free food from the government.

Double boost my ass! They take food directly off of Americans' tables.

 

[Mina]

Maybe sales tax, but they steal Social Security numbers to be able to work, derp!

For those who do that, they wind up paying into SS, while getting no credit for that work -- it actually just enhances the SS benefits of whatever person that number belongs to.

 

[Walt]

so you cant acknowledge a labor glut drives down wages.

What labor glut? America is the furthest it has been from a labor glut since numbers began to be collected.

Immigration does increase labor, but also increases demand for labor. The real question is which it does more.

 

[Mina]

Large crews of illegals undermined small crews of skilled labor in terms of price, driving the prices for and quality of work done down.

This affected most construction-related contracting. Plumbing and electrical not so much for whatever reason.

I'm betting you weren't alive back then. I lived it.

For those who have so little going for them as employees that they can be out-competed by someone who doesn't speak English and only had the benefit of a third-world education, workers of that sort can depress wages. The solution, though, isn't to protect the uneducated and unskilled from competition, but rather to help them gain more education and skills.

 

[Matt Dillon]

I work for a living. Can you say the same?

Oh do ya now? (Not the vibe I got) Well, I can't say I work for "a living" anymore. I work to be productive and do things for people now. What jobs have you done in your life up until this point?

 

[Monad Portal]

Life has gotten DRAMATICALLY better for most Chinese people in this era of global trade. Take a look at pretty much any social or economic stat for the country and compare the pre-MFN era to today. While there are some Chinese people who are horribly mistreated, like their Muslim minorities, generally speaking people are vastly better off than they'd be if the West took a protectionist approach to trade. And, of course, we're better off, too. If you want to see higher inflation, cut off cheap Chinese goods.

china is a technocratic slave state. we should stop trading with them completely.

we would win an all out trade war.

we are rich in natural resources. environmentalism exists to try to stop us from using them and is an attack on the west.

 

[Mina]

lol.....you were just calling him a lib'rul with a Republican mindset?.......okay, got it.......

No, I clearly wasn't. I was taking no position at all on whether he was a Republican, a "lib'rul" [sic] or anything else. It's got to be hard to go through life unable to comprehend even very simple written English.

 

[Matt Dillon]

For those who have so little going for them as employees that they can be out-competed by someone who doesn't speak English and only had the benefit of a third-world education, workers of that sort can depress wages. The solution, though, isn't to protect the uneducated and unskilled from competition, but rather to help them gain more education and skills.

Yeah, you've never had a job. You're staying in school to run from life. Have you even had any jobs yet, even though you're in your 20s?

Parents pay for your school as long you go, or is it student loans, or a combo?

 

[Mina]

china is a technocratic slave state.

No. They're just a developing economy.

we should stop trading with them completely.

That would cause the deepest recession in history, followed by enduringly depressed quality of life in this country.

we would win an all out trade war.

Nobody wins trade wars.

we are rich in natural resources.

So is central Africa. Most wealthy nations didn't get there by way of natural resources (the exception being countries so small that just having one particularly in-demand natural resource has made them temporarily rich). Generalized prosperity tends to come about when a nation moves from a resource-extraction economy to a value-added economy, by way of developing a highly skilled workforce.

environmentalism exists to try to stop us from using them and is an attack on the west.

Environmentalism exists to try to stop us from polluting the world to the point that quality of life nose-dives.

 

[Monad Portal]

What labor glut? America is the furthest it has been from a labor glut since numbers began to be collected.

Immigration does increase labor, but also increases demand for labor. The real question is which it does more.

corporations lie about openings to influence border policy. it's a systematic deception.

 

[Monad Portal]

And you're a moron. But neither point is relevant to what I was saying. Try to focus, halfwit.

you're a globalist elitist open border anti-american scum churner.

 

[Monad Portal]

No. They're just a developing economy.



That would cause the deepest recession in history, followed by enduringly depressed quality of life in this country.



Nobody wins trade wars.



So is central Africa. Most wealthy nations didn't get there by way of natural resources (the exception being countries so small that just having one particularly in-demand natural resource has made them temporarily rich). Generalized prosperity tends to come about when a nation moves from a resource-extraction economy to a value-added economy, by way of developing a highly skilled workforce.



Environmentalism exists to try to stop us from polluting the world to the point that quality of life nose-dives.

we will win the trade war.

the trade war is already on.

Only trump has done the right thing.

 

[Matt Dillon]

For those who have so little going for them as employees that they can be out-competed by someone who doesn't speak English and only had the benefit of a third-world education, workers of that sort can depress wages. The solution, though, isn't to protect the uneducated and unskilled from competition, but rather to help them gain more education and skills.

I was making $850-$1400/wk back then. That was making a living. That's not exactly "so little" going. Especially when you have 2 other people and their families depending on you for their livelihood.

 

[Monad Portal]

For those who have so little going for them as employees that they can be out-competed by someone who doesn't speak English and only had the benefit of a third-world education, workers of that sort can depress wages. The solution, though, isn't to protect the uneducated and unskilled from competition, but rather to help them gain more education and skills.

immigration suppresses wages at all skill levels. that's why corporatists want it so much, for cheap labor.

and they also want a more desperate workforce, and one which doesn't understand the constitution and the rights it gives them.