Democrats against education...

Damocles said:
Overall I'd say it was at least billions... probably, over time, it has been trillions that have been wasted. Too often we see the "it's for the kids" mentality that throws good money after bad into the pit of despair that has become the larger portion of public schools. But heck, we can't even suggest modeling it after far more successful programs elsewhere... what would happen to the teacher's tenure?!!!

Some Charter schools are unsuccessful, so the Democrats' mentality? Close them all! Don't take the good ideas from successful charter magnet schools... Don't even suggest that!
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If the vast majority of charter schools can't replicate what the successful charter schools are doing notwithstanding the general freedom to operate that charter schools have as compared to their public counterparts, why is is reasonable to think that public schools can replicate those successes in a much more confined operating environment (and with substantially different student profiles)?

Also, too, charter school advocates would be wise to weed out the grifters in their ranks.
 
Bonestorm said:
If the vast majority of charter schools can't replicate what the successful charter schools are doing notwithstanding the general freedom to operate that charter schools have as compared to their public counterparts, why is is reasonable to think that public schools can replicate those successes in a much more confined operating environment (and with substantially different student profiles)?

Also, too, charter school advocates would be wise to weed out the grifters in their ranks.
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So should the public school system
 
jet57 said:
Charter schools are being used as a tool to dismantle public education and throw of the costs to the parents. There are many many private schools in existence today that would ove to increase their student bodies. So, I'm afraid you're not very informed on the issue.
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How do publicly funded charter schools throw costs to the parents? (not a rhetorical question)

And if charter schools are being used to dismantle public education why are there Democrats such as President Obama who support them?
 
cawacko said:
How do publicly funded charter schools throw costs to the parents? (not a rhetorical question)

And if charter schools are being used to dismantle public education why are there Democrats such as President Obama who support them?
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The parents have to pay tuition. As I said several times before; the Dems at large are no help at all. Obama butters both sides of the bread which why so many in the liberal community are against him now.
 
jet57 said:
The parents have to pay tuition. As I said several times before; the Dems at large are no help at all. Obama butters both sides of the bread which why so many in the liberal community are against him now.
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Where are you getting that charter schools charge tuition? I've always understood otherwise.


According to this NY Charter School site is says they don't.


""Do charter schools charge tuition?

No. They are free public schools.""


http://www.nyccharterschools.org/charter-school-faq#6
 
Teflon Don said:
You didn't ask me what the "reality" was. You asked what the best thing would be. I told you what the best thing would be and that is to privatize education. Anything else is just sophistry.

As long you keep doing the same thing you will keep getting the same shitty results. It matters little to me. We homeschooled ours and it was the best thing we did. If others want to choose failed institutions that is their choice.
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How would you envision a transformation of our current system into one that is totally privatized?
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/03/11/the_left_versus_minorities_121875.html

Good article, which means the left on the board will likely attack the author rather than discuss, but for the others on the board I would recommend reading this.

We can all find links to charter schools that have done well and to some that have not. But should we not focus on modeling after those that are a success while eliminating the ones that have failed? Instead, Democrats seem intent upon a cookie cutter approach where they just shut them all down and then pretend we aren't spending enough per capita on education.
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When one is presented with ALL the FACTS, there is no need to "attack", as right wing propaganda is easily dismantled. From two leading local journalists:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-school-elites-ganging-blaz-article-1.1718465

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/de-blasio-fake-war-charters-article-1.1718314
 
Taichiliberal said:
When one is presented with ALL the FACTS, there is no need to "attack", as right wing propaganda is easily dismantled. From two leading local journalists:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-school-elites-ganging-blaz-article-1.1718465

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/de-blasio-fake-war-charters-article-1.1718314
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What does that first article have to do with De Blasio wanting to defund good performing charter schools? No one here is arguing about Cuomo vs. De Blasio.
 
cawacko said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
When one is presented with ALL the FACTS, there is no need to "attack", as right wing propaganda is easily dismantled. From two leading local journalists:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1718465

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/d...icle-1.1718314
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What does that first article have to do with De Blasio wanting to defund good performing charter schools? No one here is arguing about Cuomo vs. De Blasio.
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Ahhh, but in order to fully understand the faux hysteria surrounding this issue, you have to know ALL the details. The bogus cry is "defunding good performing charter schools" (who's performances are based on "selective" student education - sending those that don't meet the standards to non-charter schools)....without taking into account the FACT that the funding is on the backs of the those paying taxes in the public school arena via rent free housing. In the end, it's all about the benjamins and some insane idea of establishing separate levels of education for the general public
 
cawacko said:
You just go from calling me unemployed and can't a job to being rich? I wish that was the case. Should I (others) just sit back and say since this problem doesn't affect me I shouldn't care about it and who really cares if these poor minority kids are stuck in failing schools?
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Have you checked out noob agstew's thread in the Announcements section yet?
 
Bonestorm said:
If the vast majority of charter schools can't replicate what the successful charter schools are doing notwithstanding the general freedom to operate that charter schools have as compared to their public counterparts, why is is reasonable to think that public schools can replicate those successes in a much more confined operating environment (and with substantially different student profiles)?

Also, too, charter school advocates would be wise to weed out the grifters in their ranks.
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Amen about the grifters.

"PA Cyber, the state's largest charter school which typically enrolls around 11,000 students, has been under the microscope since July 2012, when FBI and IRS agents executed a search warrant at its offices.

Its founder, Nick Trombetta, of East Liverpool, Ohio, has pleaded not guilty to an 11-count indictment that accused him of diverting nearly $1 million in school money for personal uses through a series of management companies. He left the school's employ in June 2012.

Mr. Trombetta's sister, Elaine Trombetta Neill, of Aliquippa, this week pleaded guilty to a tax charge. Mr. Trombetta's accountant, Neal Prence, of Koppel, has pleaded not guilty to a tax conspiracy charge.
 
christiefan915 said:
Have you checked out noob agstew's thread in the Announcements section yet?
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I did. I thought hit on a lot of difficult but accurate points. It made me think of my friend who is a youth activist in Oakland. One of the things he's pushing for is successful black men (families) moving back into cities where kids growing up only see the street hustlers as male role models, as mentioned in the noob's thread.

We could get into this a lot more but it is depressing to know that unless an individual kid has a very strong personal drive the chances of getting out of that circle of poverty is small.
 
Superfreak said:
even an idiot can get a degree... you are living proof of that.
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I have to agree with the dervish, it does not take a genius to get a degree, and a degree is not much of an indication at an ability to accomplish anything other than a degree.

I am pulling my kids out of a Charter School this year and returning them to Public School. There are a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that this particular Charter School they are in is actively discouraging parental involvement. While the local Public School is recruiting parental involvement, even though I kids don't yet attend.
 
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