Democrats against education...

Teflon Don said:
Should you care more than their own parents? Maybe you could do something about it? You say you are unemployed, maybe you could volunteer to help tutor these underprivileged children. It's a thought.
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Many parents do care as evidence by the large NYC march in favor of charter schools the Economist article referenced. I volunteered for five years through Junior Achievement teaching a Seniors economics class once a week at a low income minority dominated local high school. Great experience.
 
Teflon Don said:
Want to improve education? Privatize it. End the government monopoly. The government runs education like it runs Amtrak.

It is amazing to me how people constantly complain that government doesn't do anything right yet so willingly turn the most important aspects of their lives over to government.

I guess being willfully naive is not a partisan trait
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The reality is education is not going to be privatized, at least anytime soon. So unless your belief is privatize or nothing then the opportunity for change comes from working within the system and trying to create opportunities/alternatives for those who need it most.
 
Bonestorm said:
I don't have any more excuses, so here is a video to distract
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25% do better in reading, 29% better in math. (56/40% do the same)

But you simply focus on the ones that do worse. I wonder why.

Read page 88 number 4...

what schools are the ones seeing the greatest improvement over public education?

what schools are performing on par?
 
cawacko said:
Let's go back to the premise of why charter schools even came about. We had public schools, many in inner cities, that were failing. Charter schools offered a public school alternative to many children. Now clearly there have been failures, as Mott's article from Columbus showed. There have also been success where kids in the charter schools have tested higher and gone on to college in higher percentages.

The challenge to me is what can we learn from how the successful charter schools have operated compared to those that shut down and performed poorly. But I disagree 100% with the idea of no longer funding charter schools and going back to the old model which we saw clearly wasn't working.
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That's dishonest of you Wacko. There have not "been failures". The over whelming majority of the charter schools have failed, not some, not a lot, not a majority, the overwhelming majority of them have failed both financially and academically which gets me right back to my point.

Why should the tax payers chase good money after bad given the gross failures of charter schools in this State?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's dishonest of you Wacko. There have not "been failures". The over whelming majority of the charter schools have failed, not some, not a lot, not a majority, the overwhelming majority of them have failed both financially and academically which gets me right back to my point.

Why should the tax payers chase good money after bad given the gross failures of charter schools in this State?
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Back up your claim. Where are you seeing that the 'overwhelming majority' have failed?

the bold is absolutely fucking hilarious... you are more than willing to continue pumping more and more money into public schools that have proven unsuccessful.
 
cawacko said:
Rawstory? Really? You couldn't have just given me an article from the Dispatch?

The Economist article was on New York City and Bill De Basio. It was also about Chicago. It wasn't arguing for the Columbus market.
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Ask and you shall recieve.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/01/charter-schools-failed-promise.html
http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-1-2m-propped-up-owners-2nd-charter-bust.html
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2014/01/15/failure-to-launch.html
 
Superfreak said:
His article also focuses on the failures alone. There were 75 charter schools in Columbus alone, 400 in Ohio... of the 75 in Columbus 17 failed. 58 did not.

Mutts article is heavily biased... which is why it sensationalizes the 'unprecedented' number of closings. Keep in mind that the number of charter schools that exist also is unprecedented. But yeah, they leave that part out.
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ROTFLMAO!!! He doesn't know much about the Dispatch or the Wolfe family does he Wacko? LOL
 
Superfreak said:
Back up your claim. Where are you seeing that the 'overwhelming majority' have failed?

the bold is absolutely fucking hilarious... you are more than willing to continue pumping more and more money into public schools that have proven unsuccessful.
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Mott the Hoople said:
Ask and you shall recieve.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/01/charter-schools-failed-promise.html
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ROFLMAO... you may wish to look at that link a bit closer.

Here, also, charters haven’t leapt to a big lead. Just under 12 percent of charters scored an A or B on the performance index. Nearly 11 percent of Big 8 schools scored an A or B. Again, most of the schools in each system ranked poorly: 62.6 percent of charters had a D or F, compared with 68.2 percent of Big 8 schools.

They appear to be almost identical on test performance: Ninety percent of Columbus schools got a D or an F on the basic measure of meeting standards. Among Franklin County charter schools, 89 percent were graded D or F.

And on the performance index, Columbus schools fared worse: About 74 percent of district schools have a D or F for their performance index, while about 67 percent of charters do.
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basically according to the new standards ALL Ohio schools, public and charter pretty much suck. Given the number of morons in the state of Ohio, that is not shocking.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-1-2m-propped-up-owners-2nd-charter-bust.html
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Again... a couple examples of tax payers money failing at charters... How about taxpayers money that fails at public schools?

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2014/01/15/failure-to-launch.html
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same as the above... how many millions wasted on public schools that fail?
 
Superfreak said:
LOL... yes, like many ventures that are newer... many fail. 58 of the 75 didn't. Now why don't you discuss the 7 public schools getting shut down for failure... we are only 2.5 months into the year.
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LOL. Equating the closure of public schools based on consolidation and allocation of district resources to charter schools shut down becuase they couldn't keep the lights on is classic.
 
Bonestorm said:
LOL. Equating the closure of public schools based on consolidation and allocation of district resources to charter schools shut down becuase they couldn't keep the lights on is classic.
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Yes... so essentially the public schools didn't have enough attendees or they had a poor track record... so yeah, they failed.
 
cawacko said:
The reality is education is not going to be privatized, at least anytime soon. So unless your belief is privatize or nothing then the opportunity for change comes from working within the system and trying to create opportunities/alternatives for those who need it most.
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You didn't ask me what the "reality" was. You asked what the best thing would be. I told you what the best thing would be and that is to privatize education. Anything else is just sophistry.

As long you keep doing the same thing you will keep getting the same shitty results. It matters little to me. We homeschooled ours and it was the best thing we did. If others want to choose failed institutions that is their choice.
 
cawacko said:
The reality is education is not going to be privatized, at least anytime soon. So unless your belief is privatize or nothing then the opportunity for change comes from working within the system and trying to create opportunities/alternatives for those who need it most.
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BTW why don't you volunteer to help these kids you claim to care about? Wouldn't cost a dime but might cut into your drinking
 
Wow the JPP cons have viciously turned on Cawacko! Just slicing and dicing him.

You are still loved by all the JPP ladies Cawacko! Fuck the haters.
 
Teflon Don said:
BTW why don't you volunteer to help these kids you claim to care about? Wouldn't cost a dime but might cut into your drinking
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Volunteering would help a child. Allowing choice in schools would help millions of children. I don't know how volunteer tutoring works from a time schedule perspective but I'm going to surmise its not usually on the two Saturday nights a month I go out drinking.
 
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