Democratic Debate

[LV426]

There's a lot in that post that deals in averages and general info. The 'median' income is only $61,000 because the top of the food chain is in the tens of millions. I've seen you correctly make that point in other discussions here.

Right, so in M4A with its 4% tax on income, almost all workers would end up paying less in taxes than they do in premiums, deductibles, copays, coinsurance, and drug costs.

The difference between Aetna and the Public Option is that people PAY IN to the P.O, thus helping the program that will be funding it whether it's Medicare or Medicaid.

But I'm talking about the actual, physical function of what the PO does vs. what Aetna does. Not about how it's funded, what it actually does when it comes to health care.

This is the part of the debate most Democrats don't want to have because they would have to admit that the role an insurance company plays in health care is not germane to your health care.

All an insurance company does is administer payment to your doctor after they treat you. So it's a part of the process of which you aren't involved at all, and has no consequence to the health care you've already received.

That's my point.

The cost to obtain coverage will drop, especially because you alter the risk demographic when healthy people like myself barely use the coverage. It might lead to 'free' healthcare in the future, but it doesn't shock the system overnight.

So wait...so you actually do see that single payer health care is the obvious way to go, but you don't want the change to happen overnight, preferring instead to let insurance companies continue to rob everyone as we soft-pedal the transition? Why? Who fucking gives a shit? Are we not capable as a country to shift who pays for our health care after we get it? Why must we keep insurance companies around when ntheir function is one Medicare already does at a fraction of the cost?

 

[LV426]

actually that isn't true......for example in Michigan, at least before Obamacare, state regulations limited insurance company profits to 7% of the benefits they paid out........therefore, companies made MORE if they paid more........that's why you have the curious phenomena that a CPAP machine provided by Medicare costs $3400......while the exact same machine can be bought online for $848.......

What you don't understand about health care is that every single cost for every single thing related to your health is set in collusion between your private insurer and your private doctor. And they are setting those prices high so that both can mutually benefit from a business perspective. There is no incentive to lower costs because lowering costs would result in making less money for both parties. However, if only one of the parties has a profit motive, and the other is concerned with reigning in costs, then you commence an actual negotiation over the costs between the two. But we can never get there in our current system because both parties at the table are looking to mutually benefit from a business perspective.

So that's why we spend 2x per capita on health care what every other advanced, first world nation does.

 

[LV426]

Who gives a shit about the history of antibiotics?

The people administering them, I would think.

I would think it's better to learn their uses and understand why and how they're used.

So, you don't think that learning the history of them would reveal this info too?

As a professional machinist and toolmaker, I don't give a shit about the history of the lathe, I want to know how and what I can make on it.

Which is why you spend all your time on JPP and not doing any actual job.

 

[Getin the ring]

I was able to find some pictures from the Democrat debate

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

If only you understood a damn thing outside of propaganda and biased opinion against liberals.

liberals would do well do disengage from the Clinton corporatist crime family. those issues are winners, but the well is poisoned.

 

[RB 60]

The people administering them, I would think.




So, you don't think that learning the history of them would reveal this info too?




Which is why you spend all your time on JPP and not doing any actual job.

Why should they know the history over knowing their uses?

Uh, no.

I'm retired. I do, however, find it amusing that some of the parts I made while I worked at my last employer are being outsourced because they cannot find anyone capable of making what I did.

 

[Getin the ring]

liberals would do well do disengage from the Clinton corporatist crime family. those issues are winners, but the well is poisoned.

they can't help themselves

all they have done for 3 years is attack trump,
meanwhile trump has created the most robust economy in 50 years or more,
Done more to help veterans than any BS'n President before him
will have 400 miles of border wall finished by election day
Is fixing some really bad trade deals to finally help our farmers, as well as preventing the outright theft of our intellectual property

Has numerous nations in the middle east speaking with one another, brokering some resemblance of peace, got rid of Obamacare before it bankrupt our country
All the while beating down the non-stop relentless attacks against him with one hand tied behind his back

and best of all, he has you triggered nut**bags forgetting to propose policy to move our country forward right before you ask the American people to put you in charge

he's playing you like a fiddle

 

[PostmodernProphet]

What you don't understand about health care is that every single cost for every single thing related to your health is set in collusion between your private insurer and your private doctor.

odd you think I don't understand that, since its inherent in my statement.......at least then we agree that Gonnzo was wrong when he said the problem was insurance companies denying coverage to increase their profits........the problem is insurance providing too much coverage........Medicare is part of the collusion process........

 

[LV426]

Why should they know the history over knowing their uses?

Why not both?

I'm retired.

So then you don't know shit. So when you said "as a machinist" or "toolmaker", you were exaggerating because you're neither of those things.

So why do you feel compelled to lie and exaggerate about yourself on the internet?

 

[LV426]

meanwhile trump has created the most robust economy in 50 years or more,

2018 GDP growth: 2.5%
2015 GDP growth: 2.9%

 

[LV426]

odd you think I don't understand that, since its inherent in my statement

It was not inherent in your statement. You didn't even know about the chargemaster until I told you about it.

at least then we agree that Gonnzo was wrong when he said the problem was insurance companies denying coverage to increase their profits........the problem is insurance providing too much coverage........Medicare is part of the collusion process........

As usual, you're fucking wrong.

INsurance companies denying coverage is one of the reasons why insurance companies should be abolished.

To this day, not a single person has been able to make the case for private health insurance.

You think insurance is providing too much coverage? What insurance plan do you have? And what does "too much coverage" mean?

Medicare is part of the collusion process

Wrong.

Medicare is prohibited from negotiating for lower costs and prescription drugs thanks to the Medicare Part-D bill you Conservatives passed during Bush the Dumber.

 

[RB 60]

Why not both?




So then you don't know shit. So when you said "as a machinist" or "toolmaker", you were exaggerating because you're neither of those things.

So why do you feel compelled to lie and exaggerate about yourself on the internet?

Why not the in-depth knowledge of their uses over their history?

I am both, retirement doesn't take away my professional knowledge. What makes you think retirement forfeits a person's ability to do what he's done all his life?
Of course, it's obvious you've never accomplished anything in your worthless life. You're a nothing, a loser, a taker and always will be. Don't hate on those of us
who have worked and made something of ourselves, have a nice home, lots of good friends and earned the respect from those we worked with over the years.

 

[Callinectes]

Why should they know the history over knowing their uses?

Uh, no.

I'm retired. I do, however, find it amusing that some of the parts I made while I worked at my last employer are being outsourced because they cannot find anyone capable of making what I did.

But I'll bet your last employer has a mailbox full of resumes from millennial SJWs with bullshit college degrees that want to run the place

 

[LV426]

Why not the in-depth knowledge of their uses over their history?

So...when I said "why not both", you are agreeing with me without agreeing with me.

Sigh. You're so petty.

 

[LV426]

I am both, retirement doesn't take away my professional knowledge. .

So you're retired, except you're not, but you're working, except you're retired.

I think you're just full of shit.

 

[LV426]

What makes you think retirement forfeits a person's ability to do what he's done all his life?

So you exaggerated your personal history, then revised it, and now you're revising it again all so...what...you don't have to admit you're full of shit?

If you did admit you're full of shit, we could have an honest conversation. But you seem determined not to have one. So ::shrugs::

Of course, it's obvious you've never accomplished anything in your worthless life. You're a nothing, a loser, a taker and always will be. Don't hate on those of us

You sit on your fat ass, collecting Social Security you didn't earn, while lying about your personal history to lend yourself credibility on an anonymous message board.

Total fucking loser.

 

[Earl]

Democrat Debate...was a clown show...lots of clowns and Socialists and old senile white men.

 

[LV426]

who have worked and made something of ourselves, have a nice home, lots of good friends and earned the respect from those we worked with over the years.

This sounds all made up to me.

You've already exaggerated your character's backstory on this very thread, so I can't really believe anything more you say about yourself.

 

[Earl]

Not everyone who is retired is drawing SS.

Some never paid into SS and retire on Civil Service...for which they paid their entire careers.

 

[RB 60]

But I'll bet your last employer has a mailbox full of resumes from millennial SJWs with bullshit college degrees that want to run the place

Before I retired, I conducted interviews for our machine shop. We had both manual machines and a few CNC's. A few of the younger "college educated" ones could program the CNC's but had no clue how to set up and run a manual machine, much less make (for example) a threading tool. Toolmaking is becoming a lost art, they all think inserts are the norm and they don't teach it in schools anymore.