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The Almighty
No, you have not. you have not provided one single shred of evidence to back your comments. Not one.
Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'
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No, you have not. you have not provided one single shred of evidence to back your comments. Not one.
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Uwaa OmO
You're prior conversations certainly said otherwise.
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The Almighty
'Now you're changing the subject, pretending you didn't just get crushed.
Someone is indeed getting crushed on this thread, but for once it isn't Zappa. Look in the mirror. Those tread marks on your face, that is from this board running you down over and over again on this thread.
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The Almighty
No, you did not. you ducked answering, just as you have every single time you have been asked.
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WinterBorn
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No, you have made the claim that traditional marriage makes society stronger. You have shown no evidence.
And even if we accept that traditional marriage makes society stronger, you have shown nothing to say that non-traditional marriages would not make society stronger in the same ways.
Bfgrn
New member
A conservative is someone who cheers the death of fellow Americans...
Tea Party/Republican crowd cheers for the death of the uninsured.
October 16, 2001
What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.
In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.
Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.
But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi
Tea Party/Republican crowd cheers for the death of the uninsured.
October 16, 2001
What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.
In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.
Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.
But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi
poet
Banned
Really? Then why do you engage in them?
And once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Try backing up your "assertions" with stats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756
Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1,
poet
Banned
An authority, as opposed to taking your word for it????????????????????????????????????????LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Bitch, you are riot.
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The Almighty
Do try to pay attention. I said it was considered a SOCIAL deviance, not sexual.
There is absolutely NO valid reason to be legislating it. None. It is like legislating whether being black or hispanic or asian or native american should be 'allowed'. The very concept is derived from bigotry. It is NORMAL for homosexuality to occur in a species. We find it in numerous species. You are trying to equate it to abnormal because it helps you feel better when you discriminate against homosexuals. Just because homosexuality is not the MAJORITY, doesn't mean it isn't normal or natural for it to occur.
The remainder of your post is severely outdated, though it is a prime example of what people will do when they react based on fear rather than fact. There was NEVER any validity to stating that homosexuality was a mental disorder. None.
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WinterBorn
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It can be. As a scientist, I prefer to use the statistical definition.
So, by your standards, left handed people are deviants? People with eye color that is not brown are deviants. Vegetarians are deviants.
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WinterBorn
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Its up to your side to prove that a change to the status quo is beneficial, not my side to prove that is isn't.
If we were discussing changing tax code or something equally inanimate, you might have a point. But when the point is to exclude a segment of the population from automatically receiving as many as 1,400 gov't benefits, the burden of proof is yours. It is up to you to prove that their being allowed to marry would cause some hardship for the state or the population.
You have failed to do that.
poet
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Originally Posted by DamnYankee
It can be. As a scientist, I prefer to use the statistical definition.
LOL. We're supposed to believe that you, a conservatard of the 1st degree, believes in science, when the ideology you support, generally scoffs at it???????????????????????????????? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You! A scientist?????????????????? Right. And I'm an astronaut.
It can be. As a scientist, I prefer to use the statistical definition.
LOL. We're supposed to believe that you, a conservatard of the 1st degree, believes in science, when the ideology you support, generally scoffs at it???????????????????????????????? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You! A scientist?????????????????? Right. And I'm an astronaut.
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WinterBorn
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In post #52 you stated "Because the state has a compelling interest to recognize traditional marriage, since it is the backbone of the family, which is the backbone of a civil society".
Since every major study has shown children raised by gay parents are no different than children raised by straight parents, you are, in essence stating that we are right that gay marriages (and the children raised in them) will also provide the backbone of the family, which is the backbone of a civil society.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Really? Post #52...well, there's post #52 directly below...sure don't see you explaining anywhere HOW traditional marriage benefits a society...
When you plan on getting around to finally show everyone EXACTLY HOW traditional marriage benefits a society? You keep claiming you have...but for some reason you can't show anyone exactly WHERE you did so.
apple0154
MEOW
Sorry to interrupt the gay conversation but I just came across the following.
OK. Apple's here. Let's see where I wrote "a person shouldn't have to work for anything nor ever be worried about their own personal safety".
OK. Apple's here. Let's see where I wrote "a person shouldn't have to work for anything nor ever be worried about their own personal safety".
zappasguitar
Well-known member
For too long the Right has been allowed to trot out this ridiculous lie, and until today i just let it go because it's just patently ridiculous nobody would believe it, right?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You want evidence? I give you, again, 5000 years of civilization. When has one survived without strong families bearing their own children?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
All I see here is your whining and hissing because you can't get your way.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No I haven't.