Deficits actually helping, not hurting the economy

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By PAUL KRUGMAN
New York Times
Aug. 28, 2009, 7:27PM
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Print Share Del.icio.usDiggTwitterYahoo! BuzzFacebookStumbleUponSo new budget projections show a cumulative deficit of $9 trillion over the next decade. According to many commentators, that's a terrifying number, requiring drastic action — in particular, of course, canceling efforts to boost the economy and calling off health care reform.

The truth is more complicated and less frightening. Right now deficits are actually helping the economy. In fact, deficits here and in other major economies saved the world from a much deeper slump. The longer-term outlook is worrying, but it's not catastrophic.

The only real reason for concern is political. The United States can deal with its debts if politicians of both parties are, in the end, willing to show at least a bit of maturity. Need I say more?

Let's start with the effects of this year's deficit. There are two main reasons for the surge in red ink. First, the recession has led both to a sharp drop in tax receipts and to increased spending on unemployment insurance and other safety-net programs. Second, there have been large outlays on financial rescues. These are counted as part of the deficit, although the government is acquiring assets in the process and will eventually get at least part of its money back. What this tells us is that right now it's good to run a deficit. Consider what would have happened if the U.S. government and its counterparts around the world had tried to balance their budgets as they did in the early 1930s. It's a scary thought. If governments had raised taxes or slashed spending in the face of the slump, if they had refused to rescue distressed financial institutions, we could all too easily have seen a full replay of the Great Depression.

As I said, deficits saved the world.

In fact, we would be better off if governments were willing to run even larger deficits over the next year or two. The official White House forecast shows a nation stuck in purgatory for a prolonged period, with high unemployment persisting for years. If that's at all correct — and I fear that it will be — we should be doing more, not less, to support the economy.

But what about all that debt we're incurring? That's a bad thing, but it's important to have some perspective. Economists normally assess the sustainability of debt by looking at the ratio of debt to gross domestic product. And while $9 trillion is a huge sum, we also have a huge economy, which means that things aren't as scary as you might think.

Here's one way to look at it: We're looking at a rise in the debt/GDP ratio of about 40 percentage points. The real interest on that additional debt (you want to subtract off inflation) will probably be around 1 percent of GDP, or 5 percent of federal revenue. That doesn't sound like an overwhelming burden.

Now, this assumes that the U.S. government's credit will remain good so that it's able to borrow at low interest rates. So far, that's still true. Despite the prospect of big deficits, the government is able to borrow money long-term at an interest rate of less than 3.5 percent, which is low by historical standards. People making bets with real money don't seem to be worried about U.S. solvency.

The numbers tell you why. According to the White House projections, by 2019, net federal debt will be around 70 percent of GDP. That's not good, but it's within a range that has historically proved manageable for advanced countries, even those with relatively weak governments. In the early 1990s, Belgium — which is deeply divided along linguistic lines — had a net debt of 118 percent of GDP, while Italy — which is, well, Italy — had a net debt of 114 percent of GDP. Neither faced a financial crisis.

So is there anything to worry about? Yes, but the dangers are political, not economic.

As I've said, those 10-year projections aren't as bad as you may have heard. Over the long term, however, the U.S. government will have big problems unless it makes some major changes. In particular, it has to rein in the growth of Medicare and Medicaid spending.

That shouldn't be hard in the context of overall health care reform. After all, America spends far more on health care than other advanced countries, without better results, so we should be able to make our system more cost-efficient.

But that won't happen, of course, if even the most modest attempts to improve the system are successfully demagogued — by conservatives! — as efforts to “pull the plug on grandma.”

If we face a potential problem, it's not because the economy can't handle the extra debt. Instead, it's the politics, stupid.

Krugman, a columnist for The New York Times, was awarded the 2008 Nobel Prize in economics.


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This guy is fucking retarded.


"Living in a fantasy land of limitless cash is great so everyone can ignore the idiotic foolishness of globalization, as long as politicians are eventually draconian enough to stick to each citizen and wring every cent out of them going forward." -- basically what he's saying.
 
With conservatism so ably represented by fine specimens like you and Serra Paylin, I feel sure of progressive ascendancy for years to come.

Thanks, mememe!
 
PAUL KRUGMAN is right.

Every country started out with a "pay or suffer" system. Dozens of countries have changed to a universal plan. Not once did a country that changed to a universal plan go back to a "pay or suffer" system.

People keep saying a universal plan is no good.

Fine. Give us one example.

People keep saying the countries that have a universal plan are having difficulties maintaining it. It's going bankrupt.

Fine. Give us one example of a country that had to revert to a "pay or suffer" system.

Just like everything else in politics people scream about the expense of programs and universal medical is no exception, however, they have been screaming for decades and the plans still function.

It's absurd to think we can not look after our ill. That should be the first thing on any society's list of "things to do".To say or suggest or imply the richest country on the face of the earth doesn't have the technology or the resources or the ability to do so is just crazy or political.
 
PAUL KRUGMAN is right.

Every country started out with a "pay or suffer" system. Dozens of countries have changed to a universal plan. Not once did a country that changed to a universal plan go back to a "pay or suffer" system.

People keep saying a universal plan is no good.

Fine. Give us one example.

People keep saying the countries that have a universal plan are having difficulties maintaining it. It's going bankrupt.

Fine. Give us one example of a country that had to revert to a "pay or suffer" system.

Just like everything else in politics people scream about the expense of programs and universal medical is no exception, however, they have been screaming for decades and the plans still function.

It's absurd to think we can not look after our ill. That should be the first thing on any society's list of "things to do".To say or suggest or imply the richest country on the face of the earth doesn't have the technology or the resources or the ability to do so is just crazy or political.

What you need to understand is that the people who want this program are the same envirowacko nihilist murderers who believe there should be less people on earth.

They seek to control healthcare so they deny it and reduce the human biomass. you need to understand that they are Eugenics Nazis.
 
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