Deal is Done! Trump is getting us something back for financing Ukraine's War

I should add an outline of the deal. I predict that the left will nit-pick every detail, forgetting or washing over the fact that if they had their way we would have kept sending them money to keep the war going without any way for us to recover a single dollar. Will they give Trump credit? PLEASE not a chance, it will be all criticism all the time, period.

  • Deal Name: United States-Ukraine Reconstruction Investment Fund
  • Signed: April 30, 2025
  • Purpose: Fund Ukraine’s reconstruction using mineral revenues
  • Minerals Involved: Graphite, titanium, lithium, uranium
  • Structure:
    • Ukraine contributes 50% of revenue from new mining projects
    • U.S. matches with investments, including potential military aid (e.g., air defense systems)
  • Profit Use:
    • First 10 years: All profits reinvested in Ukraine’s economy (e.g., mines, infrastructure)
    • After 10 years: Profits split 50-50 between U.S. and Ukraine, details TBD
  • Ownership: Ukraine retains full control and ownership of its resources
  • U.S. Role: American firms get priority access to new mining projects
  • Taxes: No U.S. or Ukrainian taxes on fund contributions or income
  • Debt: No repayment required for prior U.S. aid
  • Approval: Requires Ukraine’s parliament ratification
 
Finally, we will actually get something back for all that money we gave Ukraine. Thank you, Trump.
Only if you continue to arm Ukraine and help them resist being overrun by Russia.

Your MAGA moron buddies want to cut off Ukraine and abandon them to their fate. This treaty won't mean jack shit if Ukraine is overrun by Russia.
 
Only if you continue to arm Ukraine and help them resist being overrun by Russia.

Your MAGA moron buddies want to cut off Ukraine and abandon them to their fate. This treaty won't mean jack shit if Ukraine is overrun by Russia.
Another day, another libtard with their head so far up their own backside they’re sniffing their rotting brain. You haven’t got a clue what the citizens fighting to make America great again actually want, do you? Why? Because you’re a card-carrying Marxist dimwit who only tunes into your “safe” echo chamber of pinko “journalists”, or let’s be real, slimy grifters who fleece brain-dead sheep like you with every anti-Trump fever dream they can scribble. Educate yourself? Nah, you’d rather suckle at the teat of fake news for your half-baked takes.

Russia’s dreams of swallowing Ukraine just got curb-stomped, and you geniuses are too busy drooling over your fantasy narrative to notice. Oh, and let's not forget, we will actually get something out of the deal for the first time I can remember.

It’s not like the truth’s locked in some CIA vault, hidden from you woke drones, it’s out there, screaming in plain sight. But drones don’t hunt for truth; they buzz around in their delusional little fairy tale, patting each other’s backs for being so “enlightened.” Wake up or stay clueless, your call.
 
Another day, another libtard with their head so far up their own backside they’re sniffing their rotting brain. You haven’t got a clue what the citizens fighting to make America great again actually want, do you? Why? Because you’re a card-carrying Marxist dimwit who only tunes into your “safe” echo chamber of pinko “journalists”, or let’s be real, slimy grifters who fleece brain-dead sheep like you with every anti-Trump fever dream they can scribble. Educate yourself? Nah, you’d rather suckle at the teat of fake news for your half-baked takes.

Russia’s dreams of swallowing Ukraine just got curb-stomped, and you geniuses are too busy drooling over your fantasy narrative to notice. Oh, and let's not forget, we will actually get something out of the deal for the first time I can remember.

It’s not like the truth’s locked in some CIA vault, hidden from you woke drones, it’s out there, screaming in plain sight. But drones don’t hunt for truth; they buzz around in their delusional little fairy tale, patting each other’s backs for being so “enlightened.” Wake up or stay clueless, your call.
Many of your MAGA boyfriends on this forum have cheered :cheer: for abandoning Ukraine, and I doubt you ever disagreed with them or corrected them.

The people around Trump and his allies in Congress have spent years hollering about pulling the plug on Ukraine.
 
Another day, another libtard with their head so far up their own backside they’re sniffing their rotting brain. You haven’t got a clue what the citizens fighting to make America great again actually want, do you? Why? Because you’re a card-carrying Marxist dimwit who only tunes into your “safe” echo chamber of pinko “journalists”, or let’s be real, slimy grifters who fleece brain-dead sheep like you with every anti-Trump fever dream they can scribble. Educate yourself? Nah, you’d rather suckle at the teat of fake news for your half-baked takes.

Russia’s dreams of swallowing Ukraine just got curb-stomped, and you geniuses are too busy drooling over your fantasy narrative to notice. Oh, and let's not forget, we will actually get something out of the deal for the first time I can remember.

It’s not like the truth’s locked in some CIA vault, hidden from you woke drones, it’s out there, screaming in plain sight. But drones don’t hunt for truth; they buzz around in their delusional little fairy tale, patting each other’s backs for being so “enlightened.” Wake up or stay clueless, your call.
Yeah.. Toby.. All Trump has to do is post on social media, "Putin, STOP!" and the war will be over. It's nice to see someone like you with their head on right that knows how weak Putin always kowtows to the strong Trump.



Or maybe Toby really is a toddler that thinks that if he simply closes his eyes all the bad men go away. The only way to stop Putin taking over Ukraine is to help them fight Russia.
 
Many of your MAGA boyfriends on this forum have cheered :cheer: for abandoning Ukraine, and I doubt you ever disagreed with them or corrected them.

The people around Trump and his allies in Congress have spent years hollering about pulling the plug on Ukraine.
Looks like you misread the room. Ukraine's pint-sized leader was strutting around like we owed him ironclad security promises before he'd even whisper about peace, remember? If Zelenskyy stuck to that high-and-mighty act, refused a deal that let us recoup some of the cash we've poured into his war chest, and still demanded top-tier US protection, I'd be all for slamming the door and not tossing him another dime.

What security? We've got a shiny new stake in Ukraine's rare earth minerals, which, surprise, covers a chunk of the land Putin was drooling over. Spoiler: he’s not getting it now. Clear enough for you?

In short, when the little guy was playing tough, I and plenty of like-minded Americans were ready to bounce. Now that he's woken up to reality and signed the deal, I'm back in. Simple as that.
 
Looks like you misread the room. Ukraine's pint-sized leader was strutting around like we owed him ironclad security promises before he'd even whisper about peace, remember? If Zelenskyy stuck to that high-and-mighty act, refused a deal that let us recoup some of the cash we've poured into his war chest, and still demanded top-tier US protection, I'd be all for slamming the door and not tossing him another dime.

What security? We've got a shiny new stake in Ukraine's rare earth minerals, which, surprise, covers a chunk of the land Putin was drooling over. Spoiler: he’s not getting it now. Clear enough for you?

In short, when the little guy was playing tough, I and plenty of like-minded Americans were ready to bounce. Now that he's woken up to reality and signed the deal, I'm back in. Simple as that.
Although the Trump administration had wanted Kyiv to use its mineral wealth to repay past U.S. military assistance, the final text removes the idea of treating that aid as debt. The deal also seemed to specifically keep the door open for Ukraine to eventually join the European Union, a move that neither the United States nor Russiahas opposed.

This is good for Ukraine and the U.S., a very positive step in the right direction.
Why the left is against this is baffling.
Oh wait, I know why.


 
Although the Trump administration had wanted Kyiv to use its mineral wealth to repay past U.S. military assistance, the final text removes the idea of treating that aid as debt. The deal also seemed to specifically keep the door open for Ukraine to eventually join the European Union, a move that neither the United States nor Russiahas opposed.

This is good for Ukraine and the U.S., a very positive step in the right direction.
Why the left is against this is baffling.
Oh wait, I know why.




When are we going to demand repayment/and/or concessions for supporting Israel? How about defending South Korea? What should they be forced to give us in recompense?

I can see a lot of benefit to America to becoming the world's mercenary. Given that America is no longer beholden to a mythological "defender of democracy" role it seems we could make some serious bank off the world. ANd it will give us something to do with a military that is larger than the next 10 or so countries' combined military!
 
Yeah, we're going to mine them in a nation at war.

LOL. That thought crossed my mind as well.

I rather assume Trump is vamping for time to let Vlad get his positions stabilized at which point he's going to force Ukraine to take Russia's deal and then proceed to fleece the country as he's fleeced charities.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I feel sorry for Ukraine, though, having to deal with such a dishonest broker as Trump.
 
When are we going to demand repayment/and/or concessions for supporting Israel? How about defending South Korea? What should they be forced to give us in recompense?
I don’t disagree.
But S. Korea happened too long ago .
This is about moving forward.

Given that America is no longer beholden to a mythological "defender of democracy" role it seems we could make some serious bank off the world.
I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not.
 
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I don’t disagree.

I most assuredly do. One of the requirements of being the richest, most powerful nation on earth is to do our part to help the world where we can. We are so rich it is offensive to think of us holding our largesse out as a profit center for us.

It's why I'm so pissed off about the closure of USAID. We were doing GOOD in the world. When the quakes hit in Myanmar we sent 3 people (who were laid off while on the trip) and a paltry couple million $$$. We mays well have just flipped them off and laughed.

We USED to be a nation that was better than this. But we aren't anymore. We are no longer a nation worthy of anyone's respect. Even its own citizens.

I will not bow down to a king and I will not blandly watch my country turn into the bad guy. Maybe that's what all the Trumpists voted for. If so then I'm sad I'm an American today.
 
I most assuredly do. One of the requirements of being the richest, most powerful nation on earth is to do our part to help the world where we can. We are so rich it is offensive to think of us holding our largesse out as a profit center for us.

It's why I'm so pissed off about the closure of USAID. We were doing GOOD in the world. When the quakes hit in Myanmar we sent 3 people (who were laid off while on the trip) and a paltry couple million $$$. We mays well have just flipped them off and laughed.

We USED to be a nation that was better than this. But we aren't anymore. We are no longer a nation worthy of anyone's respect. Even its own citizens.

I will not bow down to a king and I will not blandly watch my country turn into the bad guy. Maybe that's what all the Trumpists voted for. If so then I'm sad I'm an American today.
We’ve lost every war since Korea where we tried to nation build.
Yes we are the richest but we have subsidized EU’s social welfare programs for long enough. WW II ended long ago, the USSR is no longer a threat to Western Europe and even to most of their former republics now, realistically.
 
Yeah.. Toby.. All Trump has to do is post on social media, "Putin, STOP!" and the war will be over. It's nice to see someone like you with their head on right that knows how weak Putin always kowtows to the strong Trump.



Or maybe Toby really is a toddler that thinks that if he simply closes his eyes all the bad men go away. The only way to stop Putin taking over Ukraine is to help them fight Russia.
You've got your wires crossed on which party thinks you can just hug it out or whisper “stop” to fix everything. That’s peak libtard logic, straight from the tofu-eating, kumbaya-singing playbook. Except, oops, when Ukraine’s war popped off, suddenly every latte-sipping libtard morphed into a war hawk, screeching for bombs like they just discovered testosterone. Consistency? Never heard of it.

So, let’s give a slow clap for Biden’s “peace plan”… oh, right, there wasn’t one. Zero effort, nada, zilch. So what did Sleepy Joe do? Hand Ukraine the keys to victory? Pfft, dream on. He dribbled out just enough cash and gear to keep them limping along, never winning. Remember the fighter jet fiasco? “Sorry, can’t give you those, might escalate things,” he whined, as if wars are won by holding hands and de-escalating. Tell me, genius, can you crush an enemy without, you know, hitting harder? How about missiles? Did Biden ship every one Ukraine begged for? Nope, he played stingy Santa, keeping the front line frozen while hundreds of thousands piled up dead. Stellar work, Joe.

Meanwhile, Trump’s busting his tail to stop the slaughter, which you’d think even the most brain-dead libtard could cheer for. But no, must resist, and then resist more.

And honestly, what’s the big deal? Borders are just silly lines on a map, right? If libtards had a shred of consistency, they’d fling open the Russia-Ukraine border and expect everyone to braid each other’s hair and sing about peace.
 
We’ve lost every war since Korea where we tried to nation build.

I'm not advocating for nation building per se. Just to be the force for good that we always lied to ourselves that we are.

We provide a huge benefit to the planet when we give aid to other countries. That soft power is what really makes the world go round. It isn't making a government of our liking but rather showing those governments a better way.

China is going to eat our lunch with their road and belt initiatives across the planet. We, meanwhile, will be sitting back wondering why the world no longer cares about what we think.

Yes we are the richest but we have subsidized EU’s social welfare programs for long enough.

That's not entirely true. Yes we have provided a network of defense for them, but at the end of the day that is in OUR interest almost more than theirs. They are our primary trading partners in the world. They are the other democracies.

And they aren't all "freeloading" either. Many of them don't fear paying taxes to have a society worth living in. Many of them, like Norway, took natural resources (North Sea Oil) and nationalized it thereby ensuring the society had benefits we can only dream about.


WW II ended long ago, the USSR is no longer a threat to Western Europe and even to most of their former republics now, realistically.

Now Russia has become the threat (cf Ukraine, Georgia, Chenya, Crimea...).
 
Yeah.. Toby.. All Trump has to do is post on social media, "Putin, STOP!" and the war will be over. It's nice to see someone like you with their head on right that knows how weak Putin always kowtows to the strong Trump.



Or maybe Toby really is a toddler that thinks that if he simply closes his eyes all the bad men go away. The only way to stop Putin taking over Ukraine is to help them fight Russia.
shut the fuck up, warhawk propagandist shillhole.
 
I'm not advocating for nation building per se. Just to be the force for good that we always lied to ourselves that we are.

We provide a huge benefit to the planet when we give aid to other countries. That soft power is what really makes the world go round. It isn't making a government of our liking but rather showing those governments a better way.

China is going to eat our lunch with their road and belt initiatives across the planet. We, meanwhile, will be sitting back wondering why the world no longer cares about what we think.



That's not entirely true. Yes we have provided a network of defense for them, but at the end of the day that is in OUR interest almost more than theirs. They are our primary trading partners in the world. They are the other democracies.

And they aren't all "freeloading" either. Many of them don't fear paying taxes to have a society worth living in. Many of them, like Norway, took natural resources (North Sea Oil) and nationalized it thereby ensuring the society had benefits we can only dream about.




Now Russia has become the threat (cf Ukraine, Georgia, Chenya, Crimea...).
Look, I’m tired of hearing how China is gobbling our lunch. What, are you implying that you want us to copy their commie playbook? China’s a menace, sure, but not because they’re economic wizards and they're building a big bad military, but they're not ready to take us on just yet. We’ve been their ATM for years, bankrolling their military buildup and their global charm offensive to hook everyone on their dime. Communism likes to put people on a leash to keep them tethered to Dear Leader’s whims.

Now, about Norway, lefties love to swoon over it like it’s the socialist utopia we should all mimic. High GDP per capita, cushy living standards, welfare galore, all with postcard scenery. Sounds like a dream, right? Except it’s like comparing a grape to a watermelon.

Norway’s got little more than 5 million people, half of New York City’s crowd. Over 60% of their exports? Crude oil and its cousins, all owned by Big Government. That alone disqualifies them from the US comparison game. Imagine Uncle Sam seizing all US oil to fund freebies for just half of NYC. Hell, I’d be sipping cocktails on a government dime, too. For fairness, scale Norway’s population up tenfold to 56 million, since we pump 20 million barrels of crude daily to their 2 million. If the US nationalized oil with a population that size, maybe we’d talk. Now add in a superpower shielding us from bad guys so we barely need to spend on defense, voila, free goodies for all. Cute fantasy, not reality.

Here’s the kicker, even with all that oil cash for a tiny population, Norway’s overspent, inflation’s creeping, and their whole cozy setup hinges on the “evil” crude they’re desperate to ditch to save the planet. Lefties tout this model but go mute when you ask what happens if oil prices or demand tank. Spoiler: they’re sweating the inevitable.
 
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