Crowds flock to reopened Jacksonville beaches as Florida hits record coronavirus case

[Sailor]

Yawn. That's the best you can do. I don't even feel it.

Numb from the neck up. That was obvious from the start.

 

[Concart]

Numb from the neck up. That was obvious from the start.

Keep digging little guy. You have a long way to go to hit paydirt. Not my first rodeo, or even my first rodeo with you. The years appear to have left you angry and bitter. Tough break kid.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not saying that's a good figure, but it's an accurate one. You'll find very quickly that I'm about precision, because playing fast and loose with the numbers makes for bad conclusions. This is not about what I'm comfortable with. There is no way to send a cease and desist letter to a virus. And if we aren't careful, we'll have a whole bunch of New York Cities on our hands. And that is far worse, at least in my opinion.

Still, 3% is still 3%.

 

[Concart]

Still, 3% is still 3%.

What does that look like, though. Overrun hospitals, people dying in their homes and in hallways. Nursing homes decimated. Personally, I don't find that acceptable.

 

[Sailor]

Keep digging little guy. You have a long way to go to hit paydirt. Not my first rodeo, or even my first rodeo with you. The years appear to have left you angry and bitter. Tough break kid.

Holy shit. Can you flap those limp wrists of yours any faster?? You were wrong. Now you are a angry little fella. Seriously, did you have to put on your knee pads to keep your job at a reduced rate? Sounds like it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What does that look like, though. Overrun hospitals, people dying in their homes and in hallways. Nursing homes decimated. Personally, I don't find that acceptable.

That's why I'm asking you for numbers. Over 90% of the entire nation in poverty and martial law or a shitload of vacancies at the old folks home and a few vacancies at apartments and college dorms but healthy, robust and prosperous nation?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello dukkha,

sorry but that's a fools game. I appreciate the intent -i really do - but Congress doesn't GAF how much it spends

Of course it doesn't. That's why we need to pass local anti-corruption laws and begin sending anti-corruption legislators to Washington. After we get enough of them installed, we can get some national anti-corruption laws. That is going to happen. The only question is how long will it take.

Personally, I think it is foolish to accept that the wasteful status quo cannot be changed. It is actually inevitable that it will change because the worse it gets the more fed up people will get until they finally do something about it. We have a dynamic government. Nothing is forever, not even the current status quo. It is definitely not as hopeless as you make it sound. We just have to understand that meaningful change can take a long time and get past our instant gratification mindsets to remain committed to the principles of our Constitution, which says nothing about pork and deficit spending. Those things came about after corporations and the super-wealthy got so powerful.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello dukkha,

define "under control"
There isn't going to be a vaccine. we're gonna get another round this fall. it's never going to be risk free.

So you open and look to mitigate by social distancing. hygiene , and the new hope is 'far Uv" lamps.
we have to open to incorporate new ideas

Yes, there will be a vaccine. No, it probably won't be ready by fall. We will get through this. We are humans. We can kick this little bug's butt. We just got sucker-punched. Hey, it looked bleak in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor, but all that really did was get us motivated. WE just need to have faith in humanity. We shall prevail.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

The Tea Party was great until it went national and turned into a perverted POS. Agreed on Congress, completely unhinged from national financial problems.

Yeah, so was Occupy Wall Street until it got infiltrated with pretenders.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Correct about majority. Only half of US workers won't have a paycheck in May sooooo....not a majority. You win!

https://www.businessinsider.com/lay...alf-american-workers-paycheck-wage-may-2020-4

• Recent job losses due to the coronavirus pandemic could mean that fewer than half of working-age Americans will be earning a wage in May, James Knightley, chief international economist at ING, wrote in a Thursday note.
• Job losses have already contributed to slumps in consumer spending, seen in retail and housing sales reports. Given that consumption makes up roughly 70% of US gross domestic product, the effects on the economy will be severe.
• In an election year, the widespread unemployment will likely mean that the call for politicians to reopen the economy will grow, irrespective of health advice, according to Knightley.
• But reopening too soon lessens the chance that the US will see a swift recovery, he added.

Not saying everyone SHOULD, but if everoney DID work for the government, nobody would be without a paycheck right now.

And of course if we had taken a proactive approach and made a planned shut down the government could have guaranteed everybody's private sector paycheck without interruption. But that would be so organized. We aren't that sophisticated yet. We are a young nation compared to Europe. They've learned some lessons we've yet to master.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Yeah, so was Occupy Wall Street until it got infiltrated with pretenders.

A lot of groups lose their way when they go national. OWS failed because most tried to fight going national and the movement withered. No doubt "pretenders" didn't help.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Concart,

I don't disagree, and in fact I am all for the stimulus package, but I have issues with Ruth's Chris Steakhouse taking money when the locally owned seafood place can't get a dime. Same with the airlines. We gave them a huge tax break, and instead of saving or spending that money on expanding their businesses, they bought back their own stock. I wouldn't give them a dime.

Every time I ever flew I wished we had an efficient train system like Europe. Big comfortable seats and the ability to move around? What's not to like. So what if it takes a bit longer. We can make 'em faster if we set out to do that, and don't forget about all the time wasted in showing up at the airport hours ahead for security screening. I just got so tired of being treated like convicts, cattle and sardines. First you're a convict: Assume the security position and shut up. Then you're cattle, herd you down the chutes. Finally you're packed into the tin can like sardines. No thanks. What's your pleasure? you wanna sit next to the very large person who can't possibly fit into one of the seats and spills over into yours or will it be the screaming kid kicking the back of your seat?

 

[Concart]

That's why I'm asking you for numbers. Over 90% of the entire nation in poverty and martial law or a shitload of vacancies at the old folks home and a few vacancies at apartments and college dorms but healthy, robust and prosperous nation?

I don't think we will get to your scenario. I get there is a trade off at some point, but I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet. I prepared early on for a Memorial Day return to some normalcy. I don't see any reason why we as a country can't make that date without 90% poverty and martial law.

 

[LV426]

The Tea Party was great until it went national and turned into a perverted POS. Agreed on Congress, completely unhinged from national financial problems.

The teabags used phony deficit concerns as the cover for their rabid racism.

They never gave a shit about the deficit or debt, and we know that because Trump has expanded both the last two years and there is nary a teabag to be found.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,



Not saying everyone SHOULD, but if everoney DID work for the government, nobody would be without a paycheck right now.

And of course if we had taken a proactive approach and made a planned shut down the government could have guaranteed everybody's private sector paycheck without interruption. But that would be so organized. We aren't that sophisticated yet. We are a young nation compared to Europe. They've learned some lessons we've yet to master.

The price of freedom. The choices: Actual freedom with 3 % dead or a Trump version of the movie "Brazil" or "THX-1138"?

 

[Micawber]

Yours is a false choice. We can address the fiscal situation, but not until we have the virus under control. You can't open up the economy if the death toll suddenly tripled. It would have the opposite effect. Opening restaurants does no good if they have no customers. Open up too early, and we are back in this, and the next time it will last a lot longer.

I'm sure that is why most restaurants even in the few states (Tennessee?)where they are now open choose not to do it. Why would they
want to reopen and operate at a loss? Turn on the lights, pay the insurance, hire the staff, clean the laundry, pay the cooks and dish washers,
only to have 25% capacity? Chic filet is making the right decision, fiscally and morally, to wait and see.

 

[Micawber]

Keep digging little guy. You have a long way to go to hit paydirt. Not my first rodeo, or even my first rodeo with you. The years appear to have left you angry and bitter. Tough break kid.

Sailor is especially grumpy because he sells fish and nobody is buying now. Hell, his baseline mood is pretty dang grumpy to begin with.

 

[Micawber]

The teabags used phony deficit concerns as the cover for their rabid racism.

They never gave a shit about the deficit or debt, and we know that because Trump has expanded both the last two years and there is nary a teabag to be found.

They will be found the exact moment R party is out of power.

 

[LV426]

They will be found the exact moment R party is out of power.

Yup.

The same curious case of amnesia that afflicted Conservatism after Bush the Dumber will relapse the moment Trump is gone.

THIS IS WHY WE MUST BURN THE LIFEBOATS

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't think we will get to your scenario. I get there is a trade off at some point, but I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet. I prepared early on for a Memorial Day return to some normalcy. I don't see any reason why we as a country can't make that date without 90% poverty and martial law.

Which is my entire point. We can disagree on the level, but it's silly to deny the crossover point is there.

Dude, there will be no "normalcy" without a widely available cure or a widely available vaccine. Until then, it's shutdown, be broke and accept a 1% death rate or open up the economy and accept the high fatality rate.

My guess is most city and state governments will "slowly" open up, but as more people suffer economically, the pressure will increase to go back to a normal economy.