Coup d'etat.

I think its time for Trump to issue a new executive order suspending all new visas from every country in the world until a new Congress approved vetting process is put in place and state department personnel are trained in its use.......
 
CFM said:
It plainly means foreigners never having been on U.S. soil do not have due process rights under the Constitution.
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the arguement is that everyone in the world has due process rights. Doesnt that mean you cant place a tariff in china for example for steel (as obama did) as that would adversely impact chinese steel manufacturers without a hearing? :D
 
tsuke said:
the arguement is that everyone in the world has due process rights. Doesnt that mean you cant place a tariff in china for example for steel (as obama did) as that would adversely impact chinese steel manufacturers without a hearing? :D
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You and I know that is a false argument. The supposed attorney on here doesn't seem to understand that.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I think its time for Trump to issue a new executive order suspending all new visas from every country in the world until a new Congress approved vetting process is put in place and state department personnel are trained in its use.......
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I actually think you are on to something. This failed executive order was fatally flawed, but it did not have to be. Trump can have it re-written in a much more Constitutional way, just a few changes... and it will not be immediately quashed by the Courts.

Usually when Trump says things like SEE YOU IN COURT, it means he is on the verge of settling. If the WH really wants a Travel Ban and not just something to fight with the Courts about, they will simply issue an new EO.
 
Jarod said:
I actually think you are on to something. This failed executive order was fatally flawed, but it did not have to be. Trump can have it re-written in a much more Constitutional way, just a few changes... and it will not be immediately quashed by the Courts.

Usually when Trump says things like SEE YOU IN COURT, it means he is on the verge of settling. If the WH really wants a Travel Ban and not just something to fight with the Courts about, they will simply issue an new EO.
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The way the courts handled it had nothing to do with constitutionality but politics.
 
CFM said:
It plainly means foreigners never having been on U.S. soil do not have due process rights under the Constitution.
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You see where it says "ANY PERSON"? What is the plain meaning of ANY PERSON? Also consider that the very next line deals with another legal right that limits to only those within the jurisdiction. Do you think the writer just accidentally left out the jurisdiction part when writing about Due Process, but added it in when talking about Equal Protection.
 
Jarod said:
I actually think you are on to something. This failed executive order was fatally flawed, but it did not have to be. Trump can have it re-written in a much more Constitutional way, just a few changes... and it will not be immediately quashed by the Courts.

Usually when Trump says things like SEE YOU IN COURT, it means he is on the verge of settling. If the WH really wants a Travel Ban and not just something to fight with the Courts about, they will simply issue an new EO.
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plz no. I really really want the courts too rule on this.

btw if you really went to law school you would not have such deference to justices. Half your time is spent critizising their decisions lol.
 
Jarod said:
Sure, you know better than the experts and 4 Federal Judges.
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I know when politics are being played.

Apparently I know more than someone like you that claims to have been to law school. I'm still waiting on the proof you did.
 
Jarod said:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You see where it says "ANY PERSON"? What is the plain meaning of ANY PERSON? Also consider that the very next line deals with another legal right that limits to only those within the jurisdiction. Do you think the writer just accidentally left out the jurisdiction part when writing about Due Process, but added it in when talking about Equal Protection.
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I know you're full of shit if you think that a foreigner that has never been to this country has due process rights under the 14th Amendment.

No wonder you do ambulance chasing. You can't practice real law. You have to practice extortion.
 
CFM said:
I know you're full of shit if you think that a foreigner that has never been to this country has due process rights under the 14th Amendment.

No wonder you do ambulance chasing. You can't practice real law. You have to practice extortion.
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You have proven my point. Thanks.
 
Jarod said:
I actually think you are on to something. This failed executive order was fatally flawed, but it did not have to be. Trump can have it re-written in a much more Constitutional way, just a few changes... and it will not be immediately quashed by the Courts.

Usually when Trump says things like SEE YOU IN COURT, it means he is on the verge of settling. If the WH really wants a Travel Ban and not just something to fight with the Courts about, they will simply issue an new EO.
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I expect it is politically expedient to go through the system.......it is probable that the SC will decide in his favor......that will gain him more political collateral than creating a new order that liberals cannot misrepresent......worst case situation, SC splits 4-4 on party basis, confirming in the minds of his supporters that Gorloch and the rest of his nominations go through.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I expect it is politically expedient to go through the system.......it is probable that the SC will decide in his favor......that will gain him more political collateral than creating a new order that liberals cannot misrepresent......
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this. Trump will gain a lot the more the courts rule in his favor :)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
everyone here seems to know the law better than you and these four judges.......including the Boston federal judge....
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Most here don't understand the role of the judiciary in our Government. Most here only care about politics and their side winning.
 
tsuke said:
this. Trump will gain a lot the more the courts rule in his favor :)
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Maybe, but I thought we were in grave danger in the meantime? Is this about Trump gaining power, or Trump protecting us from the boogyman?
 
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