Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering?

Cypress said:
Every human has faith in something.

Militant atheists like you have attempted to redefine the word faith to mean irrational, superstitious, unsupported.

Atheists have faith that the motions of inanimate subatomic particles are the ultimate explanation for life, the universe, and everything.

Artists have faith that their music or painting have some kind of real purpose or meaning.

Thomas Aquinas used the argument for contingency, the argument for efficient cause, and the argument from design to rationally convince himself that his faith in God was reasonable and supported by logic.
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Atheists and true believers have an underlying faith they are not being ridiculous.
 
Into the Night said:
Atheism isn't science, Woody. It isn't materialism either.
You're still trying to BS your way to looking smart.
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For you, I suggest remedial ninth grade reading comprehension courses, and being taught to respond to what people actually write, rather than responding to what you wish they wrote.
 
Cypress said:
I wouldn't even consider the possibility of Christianity if I thought it was nothing but blind faith.
The logical deductions of the cosmological argument, the teleological argument, the moral argument, supplemented by witness testimony in New Testament (the parts that are reliable) is a perfectly rational worldview, whether or not I agree with the validity of the deductions.
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Me either!
 
Cypress said:
Atheism, scientism, physical materialism are close enough to each other philosophically that the distinctions aren't that substantial.

The key thing is that the vast majority of bona fide atheists believe life, the universe, and everything can be explained by the motions of subatomic particles - by materialism.

Whenever they start veering off into some kind of quasi-pantheism then they've left the confines of the atheist reservation, and are tacitly confessing that physical materialism probably isn't a sufficient explanation for life, the universe, and everything.
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A good point; most atheists aren't "when you're dead, you're dead" atheists. Most have some spiritual beliefs, meaning they believe something they can't prove, and hate the Christian version.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A good point; most atheists aren't "when you're dead, you're dead" atheists. Most have some spiritual beliefs, meaning they believe something they can't prove, and hate the Christian version.
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Albert Camus is one of the few atheists to actually commit to living his atheism to it's logical conclusion. He accepted that life was ultimately absurd and meaningless, there was nothing out there but the howling void, and the key to life was figuring out why we shouldn't just commit suicide. He actually did come up with valid reasons for living with the absurdity of life.
 
Into the Night said:
Okay. Nothing really wrong with that. It simply means you are undecided. You also can't seem to describe the characteristics of a God, though you acknowledge the existence of God. That simply means you are agnostic. So big hairy deal.

This is a choice you have yet to make, and it's yours to make...or not.
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fucking stupid.
 
Into the Night said:
Okay. Nothing really wrong with that. It simply means you are undecided. You also can't seem to describe the characteristics of a God, though you acknowledge the existence of God. That simply means you are agnostic. So big hairy deal.

This is a choice you have yet to make, and it's yours to make...or not.
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what's your choice ?
 
Cypress said:
Materialism is the natural consequence of atheism, and every professional atheist I've seen on podcasts or public debates is essentially a materialist.

Any one who claims to be an atheist, but then ends up stealing the concepts of idealism, pantheism, deism from Plato, Buddhism, Spinoza isn't really an atheist.

And I maintain that most people cannot live out atheism to it's logical conclusion.
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You keep ignoring what I write and talk about things I never mentioned. Not interesting.
 
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