Is God on the side of repubs?
Correlation is not Causation: Why is the U.S. so politically divided?
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Taft2016
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Good question if one strips away the partisan premises.
Prior to the rise of conservative talk radio, being a conservative required a deal of commitment and work. Information was not as readily available as it is now.
Conversely, then as now, being a liberal simply required absorbing the mainstream media's pablum through osmosis.
Prior to the rise of conservative talk radio, being a conservative required a deal of commitment and work. Information was not as readily available as it is now.
Conversely, then as now, being a liberal simply required absorbing the mainstream media's pablum through osmosis.
except they were not better unless you like being controlled like cattle
we are divided because at the end of the day, we don't have a common identity. I don't believe all this bullshit when someone says "this is not what americans believe" or "this is who we are as a country" we are 300 million fucking people, you can't get 300 million people to agree on anything. period.
Due to the increasing centralization of government, it's raised the stakes higher and higher. If we left more issues to the states, we could have an actual federation, and if one state sucked we'd still have another 49 to choose from. As it is, we have to play American Idol every 4 years and sometimes our contestant wins and other times it's the other one and we move onto the next reality show until the next season.
Due to the increasing centralization of government, it's raised the stakes higher and higher. If we left more issues to the states, we could have an actual federation, and if one state sucked we'd still have another 49 to choose from. As it is, we have to play American Idol every 4 years and sometimes our contestant wins and other times it's the other one and we move onto the next reality show until the next season.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
What's it been? ... like a 100 years since the repubs controlled this much of the gov't (thank u, Barry) and knucklehead blames all our problems on the last 10 days
You start off showing "hyper partisanship" of your own.......with this lie....
"The obvious perjury trap and impeachment of President Clinton was rather more Republican partisanship than citizenship, the first of many similar examples.
Are you claiming Clinton was trapped into committing perjury and obstruction ?....He got caught, the blue dress proved it....and then he confessed.....and you imply it was a perjury trap and that it was Republican partisanship to impeach him ?.....what nonsense....
The partisanship was totally on the Democratic side of the aisle...finding him not guilty in the face of overwhelming evidence....and the fact that he confessed later is more proof of left wing hypocrisy....and it continues today with the undeniable lies of Hillary described by Comey's testimony, the DNC emails, the dismissal of CNN giving her the debate questions before the debate and thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Cancel 2020.1
Canceled
I don't even really care that much about the concept of unity anymore. I mean, it would be nice, but so would winning the lottery. Chances of both are pretty slim.
It's just the way it is. We're all too different. I see people who are gung-ho for Trump, and I feel like I'd have literally nothing in common w/ them, aside from maybe liking the same sports team, or pizza.
Hannity said on election eve that "we took the country back." I feel like I lost mine. And that's probably how it will go for both of us over the years, with altering takes on whose country it happens to be at any given time.
It's just the way it is. We're all too different. I see people who are gung-ho for Trump, and I feel like I'd have literally nothing in common w/ them, aside from maybe liking the same sports team, or pizza.
Hannity said on election eve that "we took the country back." I feel like I lost mine. And that's probably how it will go for both of us over the years, with altering takes on whose country it happens to be at any given time.
Jun 29, 2014 - The "9-0 decision last week was the 13th time the Supreme Court voted 9-0 against the president Obama's's use of executive orders....
Thats incredible....and if that don't give you all pause in how the gov. was being run I guess nothing will....the hyper partisanship will continue.....
When people start demanding that the laws of the land and the Constitution be followed, maybe things will change.....
Thats incredible....and if that don't give you all pause in how the gov. was being run I guess nothing will....the hyper partisanship will continue.....
When people start demanding that the laws of the land and the Constitution be followed, maybe things will change.....
"except they were not better unless you like being controlled like cattle" Tc #24
- ah -
Right.
You mean usurping a woman's right of choice? Oh, wait. It's the Republicans that want to do that.
You mean like denying same sex couples the right to marry? Oh, wait. It's the Republicans that want to do that too.
You mean like waging War against the People, but calling it a "War against drugs" as if that'll fool anybody?
Our 3 primary political leaders are:
- President Trump: Republican
- Speaker Ryan: Republican
- Majority Leader McConnell: Republican.
One of two things is true.
1) Either the Republican party as a whole is so inept that they couldn't right these monstrous injustices even if they wanted to; simple incompetence. - OR -
2) They're capable of doing so, but due to their own treacherous and oppressive inclinations, they simply refuse.
The Republicans are masters of oppression and disgrace.
U.S. President Richard M. Nixon is the ONLY U.S. president ever to have resigned in disgrace. Was he not a Republican?
#27
As an HONORABLY discharged United States military Vietnam era veteran, I read with sorrow your disgraceful, unprincipled libel.
But I understand. Such libel usually comes from those that simply don't measure up as a human being. So they falsely assail the character of truth-tellers like me; a vain attempt to lift themselves up by falsely putting others down.
"Are you claiming Clinton was trapped into committing perjury and obstruction ?....He got caught, the blue dress proved it....and then he confessed...." N #27
I deduce you were not in JAG.
I will attempt to educate you, though it's not my job, and probably a fool's errand on my part.
a) Not all falsehoods, not even all falsehoods told under oath, are perjury or illegal.
b) For a lie under oath to be perjury it must be a lie that is "material to the inquiry". And in Clinton's case it was not.
c) I Googled "perjury trap clinton impeach"
and I got over one hundred thousand hits in less than one second!
About 102,000 results (0.91 seconds)
Search Results
President Clinton - Impeachment - Perjury Trap Defense - Marc Perkel
www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/perjury.htm
In Re: Perjury Trap Defense. From: Marc Perkel. 309 North Jefferson #220. Springfield Mo. 65802. email: marc@perkel.com. To: Bettie Currie / President Clinton ...
The Lying Game - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/opinion/05kinsley.html
Jul 5, 2007 - In short, he was caught in a “perjury trap.” Bill Clinton chose wrong — it all came out anyway — and he defeated impeachment, though you ...
The Perjury Trap - The New Yorker
www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/08/10/the-perjury-trap
Aug 10, 1998 - ... effort to prove that President Bill Clinton perjured himself when he denied having ... Perjury traps have become a popular tactic among independent ... of the 19th century, the move to impeach Queen Caroline of England in ...
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles121898.htm
Dec 18, 1998 - Impeachment backers say Clinton lied repeatedly during the Jones .... They accuse Republicans of trying to set a "perjury trap" for Clinton and ...
The Big He Is At It Again; The Perjury Trap - | National Review
www.nationalreview.com/.../big-he-it-again-perjury-trap-all-news-thats-fit-print-jonah...
Dec 28, 1998 - THE PERJURY TRAPSince the vote to impeach, I have thought the ... that Clinton did not commit perjury because the Lewinsky affair was ruled ...
Perjury: Laws and Penalties | Criminal Law
www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/perjury.htm
(Inconsistency under oath is what led to Bill Clinton's impeachment.) ... Whether or not a prosecutor has actually set this “perjury trap,” this is a hard defense to ...
Material Girl | New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/74079/material-girl
Feb 7, 1999 - In their opening arguments during the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, the ... served no other purpose than to set an unbounded perjury trap.
Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on December ... Senate on February 12, 1999. Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.
Should President Clinton Have Been Convicted?: An Analysis of the ...
law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/clinton/evidenceanalyzed.html
Jump to PERJURY IN THE PAULA JONES DEPOSITION - Perjury in the Paula Jones Depostion. ALLEGED LIE, IMPEACHMENT ARTICLE, EVIDENCE ...
Sen. McCain's closed-door impeachment statement - February 12, 1999
www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/mccain.html
Feb 12, 1999 - But are these articles of impeachment of sufficient gravity to warrant removal or can we ... not be prosecuted or forced out of political necessity into a perjury trap. ... Transcript: President Clinton comments on end of Senate trial
Please pardon me if I don't post all 100,000
Then the character assassin added:
" overwhelming evidence... "
True.
The overwhelming evidence is that Clinton was not guilty of perjury, as a & b above explain.
Those not so ignorant needn't have that (re)explained to them.
"I don't even really care that much about the concept of unity anymore." T1 #28
Viability would be nice. Republican dysfunction has swept. Over a dozen capable Republican primary candidates. And ...
“You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate”. President Obama commenting on the Republican party's nomination of Donald Trump (during headline news of Trump boasting about inappropriate behavior w/ women) FOX / Google 16/10/13
- ah -
Right.
You mean usurping a woman's right of choice? Oh, wait. It's the Republicans that want to do that.
You mean like denying same sex couples the right to marry? Oh, wait. It's the Republicans that want to do that too.
You mean like waging War against the People, but calling it a "War against drugs" as if that'll fool anybody?
Our 3 primary political leaders are:
- President Trump: Republican
- Speaker Ryan: Republican
- Majority Leader McConnell: Republican.
One of two things is true.
1) Either the Republican party as a whole is so inept that they couldn't right these monstrous injustices even if they wanted to; simple incompetence. - OR -
2) They're capable of doing so, but due to their own treacherous and oppressive inclinations, they simply refuse.
The Republicans are masters of oppression and disgrace.
U.S. President Richard M. Nixon is the ONLY U.S. president ever to have resigned in disgrace. Was he not a Republican?
#27
As an HONORABLY discharged United States military Vietnam era veteran, I read with sorrow your disgraceful, unprincipled libel.
But I understand. Such libel usually comes from those that simply don't measure up as a human being. So they falsely assail the character of truth-tellers like me; a vain attempt to lift themselves up by falsely putting others down.
"Are you claiming Clinton was trapped into committing perjury and obstruction ?....He got caught, the blue dress proved it....and then he confessed...." N #27
I deduce you were not in JAG.
I will attempt to educate you, though it's not my job, and probably a fool's errand on my part.
a) Not all falsehoods, not even all falsehoods told under oath, are perjury or illegal.
b) For a lie under oath to be perjury it must be a lie that is "material to the inquiry". And in Clinton's case it was not.
c) I Googled "perjury trap clinton impeach"
and I got over one hundred thousand hits in less than one second!
About 102,000 results (0.91 seconds)
Search Results
President Clinton - Impeachment - Perjury Trap Defense - Marc Perkel
www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/perjury.htm
In Re: Perjury Trap Defense. From: Marc Perkel. 309 North Jefferson #220. Springfield Mo. 65802. email: marc@perkel.com. To: Bettie Currie / President Clinton ...
The Lying Game - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/opinion/05kinsley.html
Jul 5, 2007 - In short, he was caught in a “perjury trap.” Bill Clinton chose wrong — it all came out anyway — and he defeated impeachment, though you ...
The Perjury Trap - The New Yorker
www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/08/10/the-perjury-trap
Aug 10, 1998 - ... effort to prove that President Bill Clinton perjured himself when he denied having ... Perjury traps have become a popular tactic among independent ... of the 19th century, the move to impeach Queen Caroline of England in ...
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles121898.htm
Dec 18, 1998 - Impeachment backers say Clinton lied repeatedly during the Jones .... They accuse Republicans of trying to set a "perjury trap" for Clinton and ...
The Big He Is At It Again; The Perjury Trap - | National Review
www.nationalreview.com/.../big-he-it-again-perjury-trap-all-news-thats-fit-print-jonah...
Dec 28, 1998 - THE PERJURY TRAPSince the vote to impeach, I have thought the ... that Clinton did not commit perjury because the Lewinsky affair was ruled ...
Perjury: Laws and Penalties | Criminal Law
www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/perjury.htm
(Inconsistency under oath is what led to Bill Clinton's impeachment.) ... Whether or not a prosecutor has actually set this “perjury trap,” this is a hard defense to ...
Material Girl | New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/74079/material-girl
Feb 7, 1999 - In their opening arguments during the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, the ... served no other purpose than to set an unbounded perjury trap.
Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on December ... Senate on February 12, 1999. Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.
Should President Clinton Have Been Convicted?: An Analysis of the ...
law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/clinton/evidenceanalyzed.html
Jump to PERJURY IN THE PAULA JONES DEPOSITION - Perjury in the Paula Jones Depostion. ALLEGED LIE, IMPEACHMENT ARTICLE, EVIDENCE ...
Sen. McCain's closed-door impeachment statement - February 12, 1999
www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/mccain.html
Feb 12, 1999 - But are these articles of impeachment of sufficient gravity to warrant removal or can we ... not be prosecuted or forced out of political necessity into a perjury trap. ... Transcript: President Clinton comments on end of Senate trial
Please pardon me if I don't post all 100,000
Then the character assassin added:
" overwhelming evidence... "
True.
The overwhelming evidence is that Clinton was not guilty of perjury, as a & b above explain.
Those not so ignorant needn't have that (re)explained to them.
"I don't even really care that much about the concept of unity anymore." T1 #28
Viability would be nice. Republican dysfunction has swept. Over a dozen capable Republican primary candidates. And ...
“You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate”. President Obama commenting on the Republican party's nomination of Donald Trump (during headline news of Trump boasting about inappropriate behavior w/ women) FOX / Google 16/10/13
yeah we say that, but it's all hot air. "American" means different things to different people. To some it means feeding the takers and being a supplicating pussy, to others it means being a leader, a staunch individualist, etc
SHUT THE FUCK UP SEAR
your posts are fucking spam, almost unreadable garbage.
your posts are fucking spam, almost unreadable garbage.
Thank you +
I don't cyber-know you very well. But even your avatar is two-faced.
So I don't know whether you're simply so immature that this is the best you can do to be rude.
Or if you would genuinely prefer that I never post here again.
I'll be delighted to oblige in either case.
All that I ask in return is that:
a) From now on you insult me in any way other than asking me not to post here again; because as a man of impeccable character I take such requests quite seriously.
b) That if you would like me never to post here again that you extend to me the modest cyber-courtesy of banning me permanently by pseud.
I request by pseud specifically because I have multiple ISP's. Banning me by IP address may not work.
Yes.
I do occasionally get such insult / criticism from persons of such low intelligence they don't recognize persuasive logical refutation when they insult it.
But theirs is not a refutation; an indication my post was irrefutable. Instead it's merely simple vulgar insult; a dismally inadequate to persuasive refutation.
The ball is ENTIRELY in your court sir or m'am. If you need technical assistance in banning me permanently at your preference, please let us know. I'm sure we can get you all the help you'll need.
Thanks.
don't post here again. you are an annoying dipshit who tards up threads and makes unreadable posts
Do you understand that if you simply use the quote feature your legibility would improve markedly?
We don't charge by the post here you know.
Whats your point ?
Google "9/11 an inside job".....I got 4,690,000 hits in .99 sec.
so now I'm supposed to believe it....?
A Democratic Senate found him not guilty.....so do we all ignore his confession and claim he's 'innocent'.....I think not.
Clinton lied under oath in a legal deposition.....ask Scooter Libby where that got him.....
There is substantial and credible information supporting the following eleven possible grounds for impeachment:
1. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil case when he denied a sexual affair, a sexual relationship, or sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.
2. President Clinton lied under oath to the grand jury about his sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.
3. In his civil deposition, to support his false statement about the sexual relationship, President Clinton also lied under oath about being alone with Ms. Lewinsky and about the many gifts exchanged between Ms. Lewinsky and him.
4. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Ms. Lewinsky concerning her involvement in the Jones case.
5. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth about their relationship by concealing gifts subpoenaed by Ms. Jones's attorneys.
6. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth of their relationship from the judicial process by a scheme that included the following means: (i) Both the President and Ms. Lewinsky understood that they would lie under oath in the Jones case about their sexual relationship; (ii) the President suggested to Ms. Lewinsky that she prepare an affidavit that, for the President's purposes, would memorialize her testimony under oath and could be used to prevent questioning of both of them about their relationship; (iii) Ms. Lewinsky signed and filed the false affidavit; (iv) the President used Ms. Lewinsky's false affidavit at his deposition in an attempt to head off questions about Ms. Lewinsky; and (v) when that failed, the President lied under oath at his civil deposition about the relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.
7. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice by helping Ms. Lewinsky obtain a job in New York at a time when she would have been a witness harmful to him were she to tell the truth in the Jones case.
8. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Vernon Jordan concerning Ms. Lewinsky's involvement in the Jones case.
9. The President improperly tampered with a potential witness by attempting to corruptly influence the testimony of his personal secretary, Betty Currie, in the days after his civil deposition.
10. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice during the grand jury investigation by refusing to testify for seven months and lying to senior White House aides with knowledge that they would relay the President's false statements to the grand jury -- and did thereby deceive, obstruct, and impede the grand jury.
11. President Clinton abused his constitutional authority by (i) lying to the public and the Congress in January 1998 about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky; (ii) promising at that time to cooperate fully with the grand jury investigation; (iii) later refusing six invitations to testify voluntarily to the grand jury; (iv) invoking Executive Privilege; (v) lying to the grand jury in August 1998; and (vi) lying again to the public and Congress on August 17, 1998 -- all as part of an effort to hinder, impede, and deflect possible inquiry by the Congress of the United States.
Excellent!!
sear previously posted:
You're obviously not smart enough to figure it out on your own. So I'll 'splain it to you.
I'm an Internet administrator.
I monitor numerous Current Events Internet sites, and post in several of them.
If I leave on my own; YOU and I are at perilous risk of me blundering back here in the future; a fate neither you nor I would wish to occur.
If you would merely be so kind as to ban me permanently by pseud; a courtesy that I'd GLADLY extend to you if you requested it of me;
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DON'T DO THAT!!
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You get what you want.
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It's 100% up to you.
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What the %$#@ are you waiting for ?!!
LOL, are we now to believe our own bull shit??
The share cropper & a Rockefeller have lots in common..
