Contract Killing

[IBDaMann]

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

I've decided that the subject of abortion, specifically how to define it, deserves a thread of its own

Why didn't you make a thread for contract killing? I suppose I should make that thread and start to respond to your posts here.

@Scott, why do leftists support contract killings?

 

[Scott]

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

I've decided that the subject of abortion, specifically how to define it, deserves a thread of its own. I have started to respond to IBDaMann's post referenced above in this new thread, specifically here:

Post in thread 'Abortion'

Sunday at 8:37 AM

I admit that I find some of your points above to be interesting. I think it could be said that the U.S. already engages in somewhat legalized contract killing, in cases such as the death penalty and ofcourse in its many wars, both covert and overt, that the U.S. has engaged in over the years.

Please notice the mental gymnastics you performed in order to exclude abortion, which is an unspoken Special Pleading fallacy.

I've already told you why- I don't see the removal of a pregnant woman's fetus at her request to be a killing, but rather a termination. As I've...

• Scott

Why didn't you make a thread for contract killing?

That'd be because I don't believe that abortions qualify as a subset of contract killings.

@Scott, why do leftists support contract killings?

I don't know of any leftists that support contract killings, keeping in mind my definition of contract killings.

 

[IBDaMann]

I have never denied set theory.

You have never accepted set theory.

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

Abortion is a proper subset of contract killing.

Abortion is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer who is a pregnant woman who wishes to place a hit on her own child while he is still in the womb.

Have you decided to accept set theory?

 

[Scott]

I have never denied set theory.

You have never accepted set theory.

I strongly disagree.

 

[Scott]

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

Abortion is a proper subset of contract killing.

Now we're just going around in circles. To quote what I wrote in the very first comment in this thread, "I don't believe that abortions qualify as a subset of contract killings."

 

[IBDaMann]

I've already told you why- I don't see the removal of a pregnant woman's fetus at her request to be a killing,

Any killing of a living human is a killing.

 

[IBDaMann]

Now we're just going around in circles.

You are denying set theory and then denying your denial of set theory.

You are a math denier.

To quote what I wrote in the very first comment in this thread, "I don't believe that abortions qualify as a subset of contract killings."

You don't get to believe away the math that inconveniently kills your argument.

 

[Scott]

I've already told you why- I don't see the removal of a pregnant woman's fetus at her request to be a killing, but rather a termination. As I've explained elsewhere, society uses different words for procedures that end the life of various life forms. We tend to reserve terms such as killing and especially murder for the wrongful and deliberate removal of human lives. For cases where the life isn't human, we tend to use terms such as slaughter. For cases where the ending of a human life that has some type of mitigating circumstance, we use the term manslaughter. Here's The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition's definition of the term:
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The killing of a person without malice aforethought but with either the intention to commit an unlawful act that leads to an unintended death, or with an otherwise murderous intent that is extenuated by some partial defense, such as acting under the influence of an extreme emotional disturbance occasioned by a substantial provocation on the part of the victim.
**
Source:

manslaughter — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

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And finally, for cases such as a mother's decision to remove a fetus from her body, we tend to use the term termination. This is certainly the case with The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition, as mentioned and referenced in the opening post of this thread.

Any killing of a living human is a killing.

Clearly, the American Heritage Dictionary believes that the term termination is more suitable when it comes to voluntary abortions. The GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English has the following definition for abortions:
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the removal of a fetus from the womb prior to normal delivery in a manner such as to cause the death of the fetus; also called voluntary abortion, or when performed by a physician, therapeutic abortion.
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Source:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

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So instead of simply calling it the termination of a pregnancy, it has the rather longer, but also more specific, explanation. However, it also doesn't use any version of the word kill.

 

[Scott]

Abortion is a proper subset of contract killing.

Now we're just going around in circles.

You are denying set theory and then denying your denial of set theory.

No, I just don't agree that abortion is a proper subset of contract killing. I explain why in post #8.

 

[Scott]

Now we're just going around in circles. To quote what I wrote in the very first comment in this thread, "I don't believe that abortions qualify as a subset of contract killings."

You don't get to believe away the math that inconveniently kills your argument.

There is no math involved here. What we have are different beliefs regarding whether abortions qualify as a subset of contract killings.

 

[IBDaMann]

You know full well that I don't agree with your notion that abortion is a subset of contract killings.

Because you are a math denier.

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

Abortion is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer who is a pregnant woman who wishes to place a hit on her own child while he is still in the womb.

Abortion is an obvious proper subset of contract killing.

You approve of a proper subset of contract killing. Why do you approve of contract killings?

 

[Scott]

You know full well that I don't agree with your notion that abortion is a subset of contract killings.

Because you are a math denier.

No, again, nothing to do with math. I explain why I don't agree with your notion that abortion is a subset of contract killings in post #8. You may want to take a look at it.

 

[IBDaMann]

Sure, but since I view abortions as terminations of pregnancies rather than killings, it simply doesn't fit into the definition of contract killings.

Your view omits the killing of the living human being killed. If you were to include the killing of the living human being killed, you would probably see the killing of the living human that is involved.

 

[IBDaMann]

No, again, nothing to do with math

It has everything to do with math and your denial of set theory. I laid it all out for you.

. I explain why I don't agree with your notion that abortion is a subset of contract killings

... and your explanation is nothing more than a rejection of math.

 

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So instead of simply calling it the termination of a pregnancy, it has the rather longer, but also more specific, explanation. However, it also doesn't use any version of the word kill.

Good grief, if I "harvest" a deer, did I kill it?

 

[Scott]

Sure, but since I view abortions as terminations of pregnancies rather than killings, it simply doesn't fit into the definition of contract killings.

Your view omits the killing of the living human being killed.

No, the issue here is deeper- we disagree that voluntary abortions should be defined as a subset of killings. As I've pointed out in post #8, The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition, uses the term "termination of a pregnancy". The GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English uses the longer term "the removal of a fetus from the womb prior to normal delivery in a manner such as to cause the death of the fetus". It's longer, but as you can see, they also don't use any form of the word kill to describe an abortion. You're free to peruse these definitions or uses as you call them, here:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

 

[Scott]

No, again, nothing to do with math. I explain why I don't agree with your notion that abortion is a subset of contract killings in post #8. You may want to take a look at it.

It has everything to do with math and your denial of set theory.

I suspect we may have to agree to disagree on this point.

 

[Scott]

Clearly, the American Heritage Dictionary believes that the term termination is more suitable when it comes to voluntary abortions. The GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English has the following definition for abortions:
**
the removal of a fetus from the womb prior to normal delivery in a manner such as to cause the death of the fetus; also called voluntary abortion, or when performed by a physician, therapeutic abortion.
**

Source:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

So instead of simply calling it the termination of a pregnancy, it has the rather longer, but also more specific, explanation. However, it also doesn't use any version of the word kill.

Good grief, if I "harvest" a deer, did I kill it?

I'm not an expert on words for killing dear, so I wouldn't know.

 

[IBDaMann]

No, again

Yes, again. You deny set theory. You have zero wiggle room.

, nothing to do with math.

It is set theory. You approve of a proper subset of contract killings.

I explain why I don't agree

It has everything to do with math. You don't get to disagree. It's math. It's not a subjective matter of opinion.

Either refute the below or we have reached the end of the game by you tipping your king:

Contract Killing is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer.

Abortion is the requisitioned killing of a living human by a professional killer on behalf of a customer who is a pregnant woman who wishes to place a hit on her own child while he is still in the womb.

Abortion is an obvious proper subset of contract killing.

You approve of a proper subset of contract killing. Why do you approve of contract killings?

 

[IBDaMann]

Sure. I think it also bears mentioning that in our discussions regarding abortion, agreeing on the meanings/definitions/descriptions/usages of certain words becomes absolutely crucial.

I believe you are referring to our discussion on contract killing (you and I haven't had a discussion on abortion). I clearly laid out everything with great clarity and you tipped your king.

You advocate for killing supremacy but you cannot support your position, so you pretend to quibble over words, you deny math and you keep trying to change the subject, all to buy time.

You have been on tap for a week to provide an explanation of your support for contract killings, but you refuse. Let me know when something changes.