Conservatives drinking themselves to death out of DESPAIR

Fentoine Lum said:
White 88%
Black 1%
Hispanic 6%
Other 4%

Someone might want to get word to Don about that, he seems to think blacks and hispanics love him.
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You know he doesn't believe that--he says anything and always gets the media attention he wants whether it is positive or negative.
 
Dark Soul said:
How about little pleebs who ask their fellow posters to kill themselves?
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I can understand those who are full of insults and hate doing that, but many here pretend to care about their fellow man and the unfortunate, but they really hate them if their color, age, educational level or political views are not in lockstep with their own. I can remember fondly when liberals were more tolerant, today both liberals and conservatives are willing to restrict freedoms and even the lives of those they dislike.
 
Flash said:
I can understand those who are full of insults and hate doing that, but many here pretend to care about their fellow man and the unfortunate, but they really hate them if their color, age, educational level or political views are not in lockstep with their own. I can remember fondly when liberals were more tolerant, today both liberals and conservatives are willing to restrict freedoms and even the lives of those they dislike.
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I think it is the left side of the isle that is vastly more intolerant. We conservatives dish it back, but that isn't the same thing at all.
 
LV426 said:
Conservatives are pathetic, middle aged white people who have underachieved in life and just can't deal with it so they turn to the bottle and the needle.

Who else are Conservatives if not poor white trash?
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Speaking of "underachieved", how's your victimhood coming along??
 
Flash said:
Any intelligent, rational person with one bit of humanity would not want any group to die or be killed--especially because of their age or skin color.
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No one can wish anyone or any group to death no matter how much they may hate them.

The point isn't that conservatives are being wished to death, they are killing themselves.

Wish is an emotion. Not the point.

WHY is the point.
 
Dark Soul said:
Until now I was unaware that the Founders codified 18th century sanitary and medical practices.

:smh:
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That confused me also; because I didn't realize that "a chamber pot and curing an illness with leeches", was a "IDEOLOGY"??!!

But maybe it's a move up, for LV (living victim). :dunno:
 
blackascoal said:
The point isn't that conservatives are being wished to death, they are killing themselves. WHY is the point.
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No, there is nothing in that article or the study itself that even mentions political orientation. That was a huge leap on the part of some posters who made the negative, bigoted generalization that white middle-aged people with a high school diploma or some college must be conservative. The black mortality rate is much higher than whites, but the same generalization was not made about them (because there was not an increase).
 
LV426 said:
More white people are on welfare than black people.

White women are the largest demographic of welfare users in the country.

More white women are on welfare than any other demo.
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100% of posters who start with LV are total idiots.

Why is that??
 
blackascoal said:
It isn't about the color of their skin, it's about what they are.

If I say that I hate racists .. is that irrational?
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It is not irrational as an initial reaction, but it is very irrational if you want to improve the situation in the future. I think hating anybody is irrational. You can disagree strongly with their view on race, but find the person to have many positive traits not related to racial issues.
 
Flash said:
No, there is nothing in that article or the study itself that even mentions political orientation. That was a huge leap on the part of some posters who made the negative, bigoted generalization that white middle-aged people with a high school diploma or some college must be conservative. The black mortality rate is much higher than whites, but the same generalization was not made about them (because there was not an increase).
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If that was the only article or study this conclusion was based on, you might have a point. But it isn't, nor are black mortality rates. We aren't talking just about mortality rates, we're talking about people who kill themselves and why. Specifically, 'deaths of despair.'

'Deaths of despair' see massive spike in U.S.
Isolation and growing economic anxiety exact significant toll, particularly on less-educated rural residents
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/3/deaths-despair-suicides-alcohol-or-drug-fueled-dea/

'Deaths of despair' in rural America

A study published on Wednesday in the Journal of General Internal Medicine offers an additional explanation: declining health and rising death rates in rural Republican bastions helped tilt the presidential election toward Trump.

"Changes in life expectancy were an independent factor in voting choices. Reduced health prospects are an important marker of dissatisfaction, discouragement, hopelessness, and fear — sentiments that may have resonated with voters who sided with President Trump," said Dr. Lee Goldman, the study leader and chief executive of the Columbia University Medical Center.

Other studies have added more elements to the economic anxiety narrative too. A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that Trump voters were driven over a fear of losing their status. Last year, a Public Religion Research Institute survey of more than 3,000 people found that fears of cultural displacement pushed the white working class toward Trump.

White Americans from rural America, with less education and lower income levels, voted disproportionately for Trump, according to the Columbia study. This group is increasingly victim to "deaths of despair" related to alcohol, drugs and suicide, the researchers said.

They also find that counties with a net gain in individuals who voted for the Republican candidate had a 15 percent higher age-adjusted death rate in 2015 than counties with a net gain in Democratic voters. The increase in death rates due to "deaths of despair" was also 2.5 times higher in counties where Republicans made gains, compared with counties where Democrats made gains.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/deaths-of-despair-in-rural-america-helped-trump-win-study-finds.html

I could post article after article, study after study that all point out the same conclusions. One can accept those conclusions or not.

If you'd like to discuss black mortality rates in another thread I'd have no problem with that .. but this isn't that.
 
Flash said:
It is not irrational as an initial reaction, but it is very irrational if you want to improve the situation in the future. I think hating anybody is irrational. You can disagree strongly with their view on race, but find the person to have many positive traits not related to racial issues.
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Respectfully, you haven't walked in these shoes brother.

I have no use for racists .. couldn't care less what happens to them .. and racists in no regard improves any situation.

They undoubtedly owned much of the past, but they will not own the future. That doesn't come by being nice or accommodating to them. It comes through firmly and unflinchingly standing against them and everything they believe. It comes through holding them in disgust and contempt. It comes through rejecting their very presence in the conversation.

See them as evil, know them as ignorant, nothing less.
 
blackascoal said:
Respectfully, you haven't walked in these shoes brother.

I have no use for racists .. couldn't care less what happens to them .. and racists in no regard improves any situation.

They undoubtedly owned much of the past, but they will not own the future. That doesn't come by being nice or accommodating to them. It comes through firmly and unflinchingly standing against them and everything they believe. It comes through holding them in disgust and contempt. It comes through rejecting their very presence in the conversation.

See them as evil, know them as ignorant, nothing less.
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Hating somebody for their political and racial beliefs is no better than those who hate people because of their race.
 
kudzu said:
In 2015, when researchers Anne Case and Angus Deaton discovered that death rates had been rising dramatically since 1999 among middle-aged white Americans, they weren't sure why people were dying younger, reversing decades of longer life expectancy.

Now the husband-and-wife economists say they have a better understanding of what's causing these "deaths of despair" by suicide, drugs and alcohol.

In a follow-up to their groundbreaking 2015 work, they say that a lack of steady, well-paying jobs for whites without college degrees has caused pain, distress and social dysfunction to build up over time. The mortality rate for that group, ages 45 to 54, increased by a half percent each year from 1999 to 2013.

But whites with college degrees haven't suffered the same lack of economic opportunity and haven't seen the same loss of life expectancy. The study was published Thursday in Brookings Papers on Economic Activity.

Case and Deaton, who are both at Princeton University, spoke with NPR's David Greene about what's driving these trends. The interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

Interview Highlights

On the original discovery of rising mortality rates for middle-aged whites

Angus Deaton: Mortality rates have been going down forever. There's been a huge increase in life expectancy and reduction in mortality over 100 years or more, and then for all of this to suddenly go into reverse [for whites ages 45 to 54], we thought it must be wrong. We spent weeks checking out numbers because we just couldn't believe that this could have happened, or that if it had, someone else must have already noticed. It seems like we were right and that no one else had picked it up.

We knew the proximate causes — we know what they were dying from. We knew suicides were going up rapidly, and that overdoses mostly from prescription drugs were going up, and that alcoholic liver disease was going up. The deeper questions were why those were happening — there's obviously some underlying malaise, reasons for which we [didn't] know.

On what's driving these early deaths

Anne Case: These deaths of despair have been accompanied by reduced labor force participation, reduced marriage rates, increases in reports of poor health and poor mental health. So we are beginning to thread a story in that it's possible that [the trend is] consistent with the labor market collapsing for people with less than a college degree. In turn, those people are being less able to form stable marriages, and in turn that has effects on the kind of economic and social supports that people need in order to thrive.

In general, the longer you're in the labor force, the more you earn — in part because you understand your job better and you're more efficient at your job, you've had on-the-job training, you belong to a union, and so your wages go up with age. That's happened less and less the later and later you've been born and the later you enter this labor market.

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LOL!
 
LV426 said:
Too bad you don't know what those things mean and how they relate to Conservatism.

Conservatives are definitely not supportive of equal justice; it was Conservatives who opposed the Civil Rights Act.
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Lol, um, no, it was Democrats.

Conservatives are definitely not supportive of limited federal government; it is Conservatives who want to pass a Constitutional Amendment saying marriage is between a man and woman.
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Lol, marriage is between a man and a woman.
 
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