Conservatives claim "morning after" is "abortive"

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bravo said:
Doctors made an educated guess to determined the age of the embryo/fetus.....no one could possibly KNOW exactly when the egg was fertilized....
This law sets a definite day to determine the age of the baby....seems like a step forward to me.....

If it bothers you....suggest a change from 20 weeks to 22 weeks mandating a cutoff date....problem solved....

I know you can't help being a fool but you don't be such an asshole too....
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Wrong. They're merely using this as a means of CLOSING an already-tight window for abortion. More of the anti-woman bullshit that you dine on daily, obviously. Bon appetit, dupe.
 
Bijou said:
That's never been in question, has it? No, it hasn't. Nice try changing the subject to suit your sorry-ass excuse for an argument, but you failed again.
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Its ALWAYS been in question......no one can tell EXACTLY when a egg gets fertilized.....there ain't microscopes in women plumbing every moment....
And I made no arguement about anything....just explaining it to you, you're too dumb to understand what it all about....

medical science can only determine gestational age to within 10-14 days........did you miss this part?
 
Bijou said:
Wrong. They're merely using this as a means of CLOSING an already-tight window for abortion. More of the anti-woman bullshit that you dine on daily, obviously. Bon appetit, dupe.
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OK pinhead......I can't help stupid........only you can fix that.
 
bravo said:
Its ALWAYS been in question......no one can tell EXACTLY when a egg gets fertilized.....there ain't microscopes in women plumbing every moment....
And I made no arguement about anything....just explaining it to you, you're too dumb to understand what it all about....

medical science can only determine gestational age to within 10-14 days........did you miss this part?
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None of that is the point with the 18-week requirement. Have another bite of bullshit sammitch, dupe.
 
\\()// said:
No surprise that the misogynists apparently didn't read the linked article, which says:


The notion that morning-after pills prevent eggs from implanting stems from the Food and Drug Administration’s decision during the drug-approval process to mention that possibility on the label — despite lack of scientific proof...


Experts say implantation was likely placed on the label partly because daily birth control pills, some of which contain Plan B’s active ingredient, appear to alter the endometrium, the lining of the uterus into which fertilized eggs implant.


Altering the endometrium has not been proven to interfere with implantation.


But in any case, scientists say that unlike the accumulating doses of daily birth control pills, the one-shot dose in morning-after pills does not have time to affect the uterine lining.


Studies have not established that emergency contraceptive pills prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb, leading scientists say.


Rather, the pills delay ovulation, the release of eggs from ovaries that occurs before eggs are fertilized, and some pills also thicken cervical mucus so sperm have trouble swimming.


It turns out that the politically charged debate over morning-after pills and abortion, a divisive issue in this election year, is probably rooted in outdated or incorrect scientific guesses about how the pills work.


Because they block creation of fertilized eggs, they would not meet abortion opponents’ definition of abortion-inducing drugs.


Later, in 2007, 2009 and 2010, researchers gave Plan B to women after determining with hormone tests which women had ovulated and which had not.


None who took the drug before ovulation became pregnant, underscoring how Plan B delays ovulation.


Women who had ovulated became pregnant at the same rate as if they had taken no drug at all.


In those cases, there were no difficulties with implantation...


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/h...l?pagewanted=3&google_editors_picks=true&_r=1
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"No surprise that the misogynists apparently didn't read the linked article,..."

Either that or they read the article and concluded if the egg is delayed it is indirectly prevented from implanting.

We have a potential human being hanging out in the ovary and then the Bob Dillon song starts playing.

They’ll stone when you’re in an ovary
They’ll stone you so that you will never “be”
They’ll stone you in the fallopian tube
The world doesn’t need another boob
They’ll stone you on the way to the uterus
One less Bill or Jane or Carol or Gus…..


And then there's the sperm and the thickening mucus like a skier gliding along a trail when an avalanche hits. As the article states, "Scientists say the pills work up to five days after sex, primarily stalling an egg’s release until sperm can no longer fertilize it." While the egg is vegging out, oblivious to the struggling sperm, both eventually succumb to the elements. Murder, She Wrote!
 
It's about the sanctity of sperm...it's always about sperm! LMAO Thanks for the laugh!
 
Haiku said:
Which means they want to end the most effective and used birth control methods.
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I see they're up to their devious, underhanded, sneaky, deceitful ways. Sounds like a version of the "fertilized egg is an organism and an organism is a human being, ergo, a fertilized egg is a human being.

Those folks are insane. Certifiably insane. Not content to stop at the woman's uterus they plan to continue their journey to women's ovaries. Strange, considering they're much more familiar with the other tunnel slightly south where most of them keep their heads. :)
 
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Based on the belief that a fertilized egg is a person, some religious groups and conservative politicians say disrupting a fertilized egg’s ability to attach to the uterus is abortion, “the moral equivalent of homicide,” as Dr. Donna Harrison, who directs research for the American Association of Pro-life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, put it.


Mitt Romney recently called emergency contraceptives “abortive pills.”


And two former Republican presidential candidates, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, have made similar statements.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/h...ience-suggests.html?google_editors_picks=true
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(Excerpt from link) ) a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; (End)

Clicking on the internal link “withhold health information” we come across (Excerpt) Barto's legislation is quickly drawing opposition from House Democrats, including Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson). Heinz, a physician, said that he does not believe the proposal fits with the role of a doctor and noted that in many cases a woman needs to know of the potential disabilities to prevent health problems that could potentially kill her during child birth.

"I cannot think of a time that it is right to withhold information from a patient that would cause them pain or death," Heinz told HuffPost. "That is not consistent with the Hippocratic Oath." (End)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...l-arizona-senate-abortion-bill_n_1335117.html

Bringing children into the world knowing they will be severely genetically damaged and will undergo needless suffering and keeping that information hidden from prospective parents is the actions of barbarians!

(Excerpt) Tay-Sachs symptoms

Slowing down of development
Weakening of muscles
Loss of motor skills such as turning over, sitting, and crawling.
Seizures
Increased startle reflex to noise
Vision loss
Hearing loss
Inability to swallow
Mental retardation
Paralysis
Dementia.

Children with this severe form of the condition usually only live into early childhood. (End)
http://nervous-system.emedtv.com/tay-sachs-disease/symptoms-of-tay-sachs.html

Early childhood meaning around 5 years of age. Who but a sadistic barbarian would keep such information from a prospective mother and allow a pregnancy to continue and result in such a child coming into the world? But it doesn't end there. Withholding "potential disabilities to prevent health problems that could potentially kill her during child birth." They don't even give a damn about the woman. They would sacrifice a woman's life for the sake of a fertilized cell.

I'm beginning to think the sun has microwaved the brains of those Arizonians.
 
Bringing children into the world knowing they will be severely genetically damaged and will undergo needless suffering and keeping that information hidden from prospective parents is the actions of barbarians!
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Not to mention possibly causing the woman to die. I agree 100% with your statement. It isn't about unborn children, it's about control, and it's barbaric.

Hey wingers, what birth control methods would you allow???
 
Haiku said:
You're being disingenuous at best. Name the methods of birth control you would allow.
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????.....birth control pills, IUDs, condoms, not fucking........I imagine there are lots of methods that have been invented since I last paid attention.....the only one I oppose is killing.....how about you, do like killing?.....or are you going to be disingenuous and not answer?.....
 
apple0154 said:
(Excerpt from link) ) a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; (End)

Clicking on the internal link “withhold health information” we come across (Excerpt) Barto's legislation is quickly drawing opposition from House Democrats, including Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson). Heinz, a physician, said that he does not believe the proposal fits with the role of a doctor and noted that in many cases a woman needs to know of the potential disabilities to prevent health problems that could potentially kill her during child birth.

"I cannot think of a time that it is right to withhold information from a patient that would cause them pain or death," Heinz told HuffPost. "That is not consistent with the Hippocratic Oath." (End)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...l-arizona-senate-abortion-bill_n_1335117.html

Bringing children into the world knowing they will be severely genetically damaged and will undergo needless suffering and keeping that information hidden from prospective parents is the actions of barbarians!

(Excerpt) Tay-Sachs symptoms

Slowing down of development
Weakening of muscles
Loss of motor skills such as turning over, sitting, and crawling.
Seizures
Increased startle reflex to noise
Vision loss
Hearing loss
Inability to swallow
Mental retardation
Paralysis
Dementia.

Children with this severe form of the condition usually only live into early childhood. (End)
http://nervous-system.emedtv.com/tay-sachs-disease/symptoms-of-tay-sachs.html

Early childhood meaning around 5 years of age. Who but a sadistic barbarian would keep such information from a prospective mother and allow a pregnancy to continue and result in such a child coming into the world? But it doesn't end there. Withholding "potential disabilities to prevent health problems that could potentially kill her during child birth." They don't even give a damn about the woman. They would sacrifice a woman's life for the sake of a fertilized cell.

I'm beginning to think the sun has microwaved the brains of those Arizonians.
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JUST KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER!!!

:vik: :ninj: :vik:
 
Threedee said:
JUST KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER!!!

:vik: :ninj: :vik:
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Or let the clump of cells develop and when a child is finally born do all we can to prolong it's life. Basically, torture the little bastard for the next five years until it finally succumbs. Now that's morality!
 
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