Congressional Righties really care about kids nutrition!

[zappasguitar]

you do realize that lobbyists and insiders have been redefining things in our lifetime to suit their own agenda, right? why is it an issue NOW? because it's a right sided goal?

Why this time?

Frankly, because it's just another shameless attempt by greedy people in places of power, to lower the minimum standards of the food our children eat, while simultaneously enriching themselves to an even greater degree.

I also had a problem back in Reagan's days when he tried to get ketchup reclassified as a vegetable so somebody somewhere could shave a few pennies off the cost of school lunches...remember that wonderful little nugget of stupidity?

 

[Damocles]

Under either regulation, the level of minutiae is still there, and has been there for decades. The legislation passed doesn't end or eliminate any federal government "meddling" whatsoever. It just makes it so that food lobbyists can be sure that schools serve more of their products over other products that are healthier. Among competing regulations with the same degree of intrusiveness, the Republicans chose the one that benefited lobbyists.

And it's very easy for you to avoid the government meddling in what your kids eat, don't have your kids buy lunch at school. Pretty simple.

The legislation prevents the addition of more minutiae, you call it "bad" I call it doing something about an already bad situation so that they cannot make it worse.

Saying that because they already do it we should just let them continue is laziness.

 

[Bonestorm]

The legislation prevents the addition of more minutiae, you call it "bad" I call it doing something about an already bad situation so that they cannot make it worse.

Saying that because they already do it we should just let them continue is laziness.

On the merits, it is bad. There is no other way to characterize a move that ensures that pizza counts as a vegetable. Pretending that it is worse for pizza to count as a serving of vegetables is nuts.

Look, if you can accomplish the goal of ensuring the schools serve nutritious and balanced lunches in the absence of the minutiae, I'd be all for it. But experience has shown that it doesn't work.

And I'm not saying that because the federal government already regulates school lunch programs it should continue to regulate school lunch program. I am saying that these claims about deregulation and federal government overreach are nonsense where we aren't talking about deregulating anything and the federal govenrment has regulated school lunch programs for decades.

 

[Damocles]

On the merits, it is bad. There is no other way to characterize a move that ensures that pizza counts as a vegetable. Pretending that it is worse for pizza to count as a serving of vegetables is nuts.

Again, when the other option was to simply let them regulate the minutiae of the menu I'd rather have "nuts" than the inane level of control over the minutiae of the lives of our children.

Look, if you can accomplish the goal of ensuring the schools serve nutritious and balanced lunches in the absence of the minutiae, I'd be all for it. But experience has shown that it doesn't work.

Rubbish. Nutritious meals were served before they entered this arena, and let the local authorities decide what their kids eat. It just isn't the place of the federal government to go there. It just isn't.

And I'm not saying that because the federal government already regulates school lunch programs it should continue to regulate school lunch program. I am saying that these claims about deregulation and federal government overreach are nonsense where we aren't talking about deregulating anything and the federal govenrment has regulated school lunch programs for decades.

Which again doesn't make it right, just almost impossible to end. By adding what you call "bad" rules like counting certain things as vegetables you can simply make the regulation worthless in this one instance instead.

Reality: The change caused the new regulations to be worthless.

More reality: That was likely the goal of the "bad" legislation, which in fact makes it far better than bending over for more. They not only bend you over, but tell you how to turn and what to say...

They way overstep and should be stopped, even if it takes calling pizza a vegetable to make new rules into nonsense.

 

[zappasguitar]

Again, when the other option was to simply let them regulate the minutiae of the menu I'd rather have "nuts" than the inane level of control over the minutiae of the lives of our children.



Rubbish. Nutritious meals were served before they entered this arena, and let the local authorities decide what their kids eat. It just isn't the place of the federal government to go there. It just isn't.



Which again doesn't make it right, just almost impossible to end. By adding what you call "bad" rules like counting certain things as vegetables you can simply make the regulation worthless in this one instance instead.

Reality: The change caused the new regulations to be worthless.

More reality: That was likely the goal of the "bad" legislation, which in fact makes it far better than bending over for more. They not only bend you over, but tell you how to turn and what to say...

They way overstep and should be stopped, even if it takes calling pizza a vegetable to make new rules into nonsense.

You just refuse to denounce any move made by congressional Republicans don't you?

I've seen some hacktacular levels of hacktitude before, but yours is unparalleled.

 

[Bonestorm]

Again, when the other option was to simply let them regulate the minutiae of the menu I'd rather have "nuts" than the inane level of control over the minutiae of the lives of our children.

By regulating the foods served in school lunch programs, the government doesn't have any control over the lives of anyone's children. It simply has control over the foods served in the school lunch programs. Second, that control exists unless the Republicans pass a bill that ends that control. The Republicans have not done that. Instead, they have adopted a policy that uses that control to the benefit of their lobbyist friends as opposed to the benefit of children that eat lunch provided by the school.

Rubbish. Nutritious meals were served before they entered this arena, and let the local authorities decide what their kids eat. It just isn't the place of the federal government to go there. It just isn't.

Actually, no they weren't. Moreover, it is very easy for local schools retain total control over their menus. They can just not accept federal funds.

Which again doesn't make it right, just almost impossible to end. By adding what you call "bad" rules like counting certain things as vegetables you can simply make the regulation worthless in this one instance instead.

Reality: The change caused the new regulations to be worthless.

More reality: That was likely the goal of the "bad" legislation, which in fact makes it far better than bending over for more. They not only bend you over, but tell you how to turn and what to say...

They way overstep and should be stopped, even if it takes calling pizza a vegetable to make new rules into nonsense.

I'm not sure what you are arguing or who you are arguing with here. But pretending that the goal of calling pizza a vegetable is to undermine the rules to make them worthless as opposed to doing the bidding of food industry lobbyists is hilarious.

 

[Damocles]

You just refuse to denounce any move made by congressional Republicans don't you?

I've seen some hacktacular levels of hacktitude before, but yours is unparalleled.

Translation:

I have nothing to say that makes sense other than to try to attack you personally.

/Translation.

No, Zappa I do not "denounce" everything republican, nor do I support or defend everything republican. Unlike you, I spend time speaking out against government overreach on both sides of the aisle rather than ignoring it from one side.

 

[Alias]

Those damn mean righties. I wonder how they hold jobs and have normal families being so damn mean and nasty.

 

[Phantasmal]

Actually, no, it isn't. The USDA and federal government still regulate school lunch programs. The Republicans didn't vote to end those regulations. And the federal government has regulated the school lunch program for decades so I'm not certain that the claim that "now you want to tell our kids what to eat" is historically accurate. Moreover, kids can eat whatever the fuck they want. The only issue is what the schools can serve for those kids and parents that elect to purchase food from the school.

If you don't want government regulated food, pack your children's lunch.

 

[Damocles]

By regulating the foods served in school lunch programs, the government doesn't have any control over the lives of anyone's children. It simply has control over the foods served in the school lunch programs. Second, that control exists unless the Republicans pass a bill that ends that control. The Republicans have not done that. Instead, they have adopted a policy that uses that control to the benefit of their lobbyist friends as opposed to the benefit of children that eat lunch provided by the school.




Actually, no they weren't. Moreover, it is very easy for local schools retain total control over their menus. They can just not accept federal funds.

Which again is nearly impossible. They force minute regulation onto areas of our lives they have no legal authority to control simply by using what they always use, the money they've taken from us.

They simply offer a bit back to you if you'll just bend over, turn your head, say, "I love you Nuncle Sammy!" to the beat of Inna-Godda-Da-Vida...

I'm not sure what you are arguing or who you are arguing with here. But pretending that the goal of calling pizza a vegetable is to undermine the rules to make them worthless as opposed to doing the bidding of food industry lobbyists is hilarious.

I don't care who I am arguing. They tried to put new rules into place that would force schools to change their menus or lose funding, this made those new rules worthless. And again, Congress doesn't have the power to end the regulation without the support of the Senate and the White House. To say they should simply pass a law is idiotic, and uncharacteristically (IMO Purposefully) naive. Only somebody who was utterly naive in the arena of politics, didn't understand how laws get enacted, and think that a simple majority (as opposed to the super majority in both houses enjoyed by the WH less than 1 year ago) in one house of congress will make them capable of "simply pass a law"...



Wow, you've really gone downhill, your argument is lazy, purposefully naive, and shows a unique lack of capacity to think outside a box.

You're told it benefits lobbyists, you get hyper and say it does... Because they might make pizza... *sigh*...

 

[Phantasmal]

Translation:

I have nothing to say that makes sense other than to try to attack you personally.

/Translation.

No, Zappa I do not "denounce" everything republican, nor do I support or defend everything republican. Unlike you, I spend time speaking out against government overreach on both sides of the aisle rather than ignoring it from one side.

Yes, and how others perceive us is usually different than how we see ourselves.

 

[Phantasmal]

no regulation is preferable to bad regulation. bad regulation continues to grow and fester like bacteria.

Your frm of government would resemble Somalia, don't think I would care to live there, but you go ahead.

 

[The Dude]

Getting rid of pizza and fries screams Gestapo.

 

[zappasguitar]

Translation:

I have nothing to say that makes sense other than to try to attack you personally.

/Translation.

No, Zappa I do not "denounce" everything republican, nor do I support or defend everything republican. Unlike you, I spend time speaking out against government overreach on both sides of the aisle rather than ignoring it from one side.

Utter hogwash...you know...like the time you spent a week telling everyone here that the area in which you live experiences sustained winds of over 75mph every single day of the year?

That's why had to resort to rolling out your "translation"... because you have so much factual information you provided to DENOUNCE my points

The fact is, if you spent ANY time whatsoever "speaking out" against government overreach, you'd be up in arms regarding CONSERVATIVE politicians attempting to tell you and I what constitutes a "vegetable"...but everyone already knows that although you TALK a good game, as usual, you become all mealy mouthed when it comes to actually DENOUNCING any overreach by Republicans.

So tell me again how much better you are because you don't "personally attack", then go ahead and put words in my mouth...that's how the pro's do it, don't ya know!

 

[Alias]

If you don't want government regulated food, pack your children's lunch.

Nope. We're gonna take back control of the schools.

 

[Bonestorm]

Getting rid of pizza and fries screams Gestapo.

It's about calling pizza and fries "pizza and fries" instead of "two vegetables."

 

[Damocles]

Getting rid of pizza and fries screams Gestapo.

The utter minutiae screams government overreach. There is a reason for local government. This is one of them.

 

[The Dude]

It's about fat ass obese micheal Obama wanting to go all Hillary Clinton and dictate lunch menu's. How about she stops before the fried chicken bucket is empty and let skinny ass Barack have a piece before she takes over kids menus.

 

[Damocles]

Utter hogwash...you know...like the time you spent a week telling everyone here that the area in which you live experiences sustained winds of over 75mph every single day of the year?

That's why had to resort to rolling out your "translation"... because you have so much factual information you provided to DENOUNCE my points

The fact is, if you spent ANY time whatsoever "speaking out" against government overreach, you'd be up in arms regarding CONSERVATIVE politicians attempting to tell you and I what constitutes a "vegetable"...but everyone already knows that although you TALK a good game, as usual, you become all mealy mouthed when it comes to actually DENOUNCING any overreach by Republicans.

So tell me again how much better you are because you don't "personally attack", then go ahead and put words in my mouth...that's how the pro's do it, don't ya know!

I don't give a rip if they tell me what is a vegetable, so long as they don't tell me what to serve in our schools. Overreach at that level is stepping all over the local government to tell them what they can and cannot do in their schools.

Tell me, which constitutional amendment gives congress the right to regulate any menu? Let alone the menu of our schools? Which Article tells them they have a right to regulate the life of my child to the point that they are regulating their menu?

 

[Damocles]

As it stands...

I am against the federal government regulating what constitutes "marriage" (at all, there should be no federal "I recognize this one, but not that one, and that other one there is right out")...

I am against the federal government taking the power of education from the states and individuals (not one of the articles listed powers, and not one of the rights given to the feds means article 10 applies).