Congress Recesses - Nobody Notices

anatta said:
separate Tbagger, Trumptards, and wingnuts for me from partisan politics.
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Cypress is a hack. He tries to drop in some self-perceived talking points thinking he is clever
but consistently falls back on partisanship . His language is consistently inexact.

Last night he was trying to tell me I blame NATO for Putin's annexation of Crimea, despite the fact I've always blamed USAID/meddling in their Euromaiden https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-any-Russians-here-tonight-any-Russians/page3
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So, just to get you officially on record: if we were to search this board, we would find no examples of you pointing to NATO expansion as justification for Putin's invasions of the sovereign territory of neighboring states?
 
Annatta: "Cypress is a hack. He tries to drop in some self-perceived talking points thinking he is clever
but consistently falls back on partisanship . His language is consistently inexact.

Last night he was trying to tell me I blame NATO for Putin's annexation of Crimea,"
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Cypress said:
So, just to get you officially on record: if we were to search this board, we would find no examples of you pointing to NATO expansion as justification for Putin's invasions of the sovereign territory of neighboring states?
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Well gosh, here is one where you posted an article sympathetic to the view NATO was to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. Will wonders never cease?

Annatta: "In this view Russia did not start the war in Ukraine, but responded to Western aggression. The Maidan uprising and ousting of Viktor Yanukovych as Ukraine’s president were engineered by American special services to move NATO closer to Russia’s borders."

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...rom-cold-war-to-hot-war&p=1860023#post1860023
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Cypress said:
Well gosh, here is one where you posted an article sympathetic to the view NATO was to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. Will wonders never cease?
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idiot. It was a c/p on generalized "cold war to hot war.' I even said why i posted the OP
anatta said:
i wanted to c/p this.. it's about as accurate a piece looking at the US-Russian ( and NATO) relations one is going to find in western press.
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I gave you a detailed answer last night. I backed it up with a link but did not simply use the link as an answer.
I specifically answered your charge by explanation that NATO expansion( russian encirclement) is the set piece,
but not the proximate cause of the annexation itself as you charged.
 
Cypress said:
So, just to get you officially on record: if we were to search this board, we would find no examples of you pointing to NATO expansion as justification for Putin's invasions of the sovereign territory of neighboring states?
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now you are widening the question out to "states".

the back and forth alignment of Ukraine's government comes from being pro-west to Russian affiliation
because the nature of Uk isbeing a border state. [ in extreme simple terms]

The Budapest Memorandum was routinely violated by both parties
 
anatta said:
now you are widening the question out to "states".

the back and forth alignment of Ukraine's government comes from being pro-west to Russian affiliation
because the nature of Uk isbeing a border state. [ in extreme simple terms]

The Budapest Memorandum was routinely violated by both parties
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Well, I will take this as an admission that you know I was justified in stating that you pointed to NATO (aka, blamed) as a justification for Putin's invasion of the sovereign territory of Ukraine.

You may not like me saying that. You may wish to word-smith and finesse your way around it. But I had justification to write what I did. Odd that you would try to suggest I was lying about you.

I am sure there are plenty more posts that could be dug up in which you have blamed NATO, the EU, the United States, and other western entities for the conflict in Ukraine.

Its unfathomable how you don't blame Putin, the person who actually illegally invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
 
anatta said:
Overall, as Republicans took stock of the past seven months of control of the House and Senate under the Trump administration, the mood was glum. The House began its summer recess last week, but as senators rushed for the exits Thursday they were still pointing to the confirmation of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court as their signal success, even though that happened back in April.

n a final burst of action Thursday, the Senate overwhelmingly approved a Food and Drug Administration funding bill, and agreed to more than 60 Trump administration nominees, more executive branch nominations in a single day than the Senate had approved all year to date. Republicans have bitterly blamed Democrats' foot-dragging on nominees for many of their problems, and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky heralded Thursday's actions as "an important step towards filling critical roles throughout the administration."

Like other Republicans, Scott cited the GOP's success in overturning a series of Obama administration regulations, employing the little-used Congressional Review Act.

Yet what lawmakers left undone promises to make for an ugly September on Capitol Hill.

Two must-do items will dominate the agenda: increasing the government's debt limit to prevent a catastrophic default on U.S. obligations like interest payments and Social Security checks; and passing a temporary spending bill to keep government agencies up and running.

The debt limit increase is particularly nettlesome and many Republicans in Congress simply can't bring themselves to vote for it. But with a Republican in the White House and the party controlling both the House and the Senate, it's the GOP's responsibility to deliver the votes.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...ut-having-gotten-much-accomplished-1.13924741
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My God, what I wouldn't give for term limits....
 
Cypress said:
Well, I will take this as an admission that you know I was justified in stating that you pointed to NATO (aka, blamed) as a justification for Putin's invasion of the sovereign territory of Ukraine.

You may not like me saying that. You may wish to word-smith and finesse your way around it. But I had justification to write what I did. Odd that you would try to suggest I was lying about you.

I am sure there are plenty more posts that could be dug up in which you have blamed NATO, the EU, the United States, and other western entities for the conflict in Ukraine.

Its unfathomable how you don't blame Putin, the person who actually illegally invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
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in other words you have been caught over generalizing, and default to saying you were out "wordsmithed".

Thee is all kinds of blame to go around, but the basis of bad US-Russian relations goes back to the strategic
misalignment of NATO encirclement.
Which is not to excuse Putin but to put his actions in context instead of the western demonization of Putin
as a reason to itself not to deal with him

Can you find some short-hand response from me where i say "NATO did it?"
I'm sure you can. knock yourself out.
Meanwhile you should speak in much more careful terms to me if you don't want to get called out on your blandishment
 
Cypress said:
Did I say only Trumptards?

It is a partisan issue. Republicans can't govern. Even when you put them in charge of the entire federal government, they still can't accomplish the one signature goal they have been blathering about for eight years - repealing Obamacare.

The lesson here is that if you spend your life professing hate for America's government, then you probably will not be good at competent governance.
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Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. Thomas Jefferson
 
anatta said:
yes you did..now you back off it.

It has nothing to do with governing philosophy; expansive statism or limited enumerated powers.
If anything it goes to party discipline. Dems are always superior there.
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NO, he did not.

"You would be surprised, perhaps even astonished, at how many Trumptards, teabaggers, and wingnuts depend on social security, medicare, Medicaid, VA, and disability benefits. Some of them even depend on Obamacare"

He singled out the people and groups that have stood against a policy that many are dependent on.

It has everything to do with governing philosophy.
 
anatta said:
separate Tbagger, Trumptards, and wingnuts for me from partisan politics.
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Cypress is a hack. He tries to drop in some self-perceived talking points thinking he is clever
but consistently falls back on partisanship . His language is consistently inexact.

Last night he was trying to tell me I blame NATO for Putin's annexation of Crimea, despite the fact I've always blamed USAID/meddling in their Euromaiden https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-any-Russians-here-tonight-any-Russians/page3
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Cypress like Midcan confuses sounding enlightened with having actual knowledge. They actually have very little knowledge

And it isn't what they don't know that makes them so ignorant. It is what they think they know that is absolutely wrong.
 
Covfefe said:
Yes, you are a troll!
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If she is a troll, what do you call Rune's constant insult posts. I mean, when does he ever actually discuss an issue? All I see are just insults, nothing about the actual topic.

At least she starts topics, discusses topics etc, but yeah, she is the troll and not Rune.

You're pathetic.

Btw, did anyone notice the Senate is not going into "recess" by coming back in for a few minutes ever few days to bang the gravel so as to not allow Trump to make recess appointments?
 
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