Congress is exempt from Obamacare?

Jarod said:
When people like Rand Paul claim that Congress is exempt from Obama care, what do they really mean?

Its like they believe Obamacare is something everyone has to drop there existing insurance program and sign up for.

I'm honestly asking, what do these Republicans mean when they make this argument?
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No, it simply means they have no other response to the good news regarding obamaCare, than to mislead the American people by spreading lies.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Well that is odd.

It's almost as though NOVA knew he was wrong and couldn't honestly answer your question.
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I was wrong about what?....Did I post something that was wrong....or are you just an asshole?....

that last one was a rhetorical question, of course you're an asshole....

Man up asshole....exactly what was I wrong about ?....the only thing I did was post an article from the WSJ....
 
Jarod said:
When people like Rand Paul claim that Congress is exempt from Obama care, what do they really mean?

Its like they believe Obamacare is something everyone has to drop there existing insurance program and sign up for.

I'm honestly asking, what do these Republicans mean when they make this argument?
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They mean that they receive a break paying for it, they and their aides have received subsidies that they would not otherwise get to pay for the higher cost healthcare. And at the end of their tenure, after they "retire" they are waived entirely. They are only subject to this law until they "retire", and then only partially.
 
Jarod said:
Well, NOVA, do tell me where I am wrong. I am listening...
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Jarod said:
Still listening.. Where am I wrong?
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OK Jughead, just for you....

The poll data is clear and cuts across party lines: 92 percent of the public does not think it is right that Congress and their staff are letting the Obama administration exempt them from the costs of Obamacare.

Now, do you understand what the exemption is ?....I thought it was clear to everyone what they were talking about...why should the taxpayers subsidize people costs
that they are already paying 170,000 a year....


Incidently....

The survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent of them believe workers and retirees should keep keep their current health insurance and not be forced to purchase coverage through the exchanges. The preference for the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program was even more obvious when survey respondents were asked whether they think federal employees should carry their health insurance into retirement, as is the current policy, or enroll in Medicare; 96.1 percent said the current system should not be changed.

When Congress first passed the health care reform, known colloquially as Obamacare, three years ago, attached was an amendment requiring all lawmakers and their staffs to purchase health care insurance via the online exchanges. This meant lawmakers would lose the generous coverage they were granted under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program – where the government subsidized as much as 75 percent of the premiums.

It was written into the bill in the first place on the theory that if Congress was going to make Americans live under the provisions of Obamacare, those who authored it should, as well. But because the language of the amendment contained no guidance on whether the federal contributions toward their health plans was allowed,,,,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/kkh49cm

I hope they love it as much as you will....
 
But no one is "exempted" from the costs of anything. Congressional staffers will simply continue to have their employer pay 75% of their health insurance premiums as they did prior to the passage of the ACA.
 
Dungheap said:
But no one is "exempted" from the costs of anything. Congressional staffers will simply continue to have their employer pay 75% of their health insurance premiums as they did prior to the passage of the ACA.
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Will "simply" continue to receive a higher than "expected" subsidy, one they would not get according to the actual schedule in the law... but hey, Dung doesn't care... The people who pass the laws are "special" especially when they pass crap legislation which they don't want to apply to them at all.

First they tried to actually exempt themselves entirely on a weekend vote, but were caught, then when they understood that they would have to pay more, like everybody else will, for crappier coverage they again spasm'd, suddenly they were receiving a subsidy as they had to go to the exchange...

The reality is, they've minimized their own impact with regard to this law. And again, while retirees elsewhere will not get magical coverage above and beyond the coverage at the exchanges... because they're "retired" Congressional turdbuckets these people will...
 
Damocles said:
Will "simply" continue to receive a higher than "expected" subsidy, one they would not get according to the actual schedule in the law... but hey, Dung doesn't care... The people who pass the laws are "special" especially when they pass crap legislation which they don't want to apply to them at all.
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The assumption here is that Congress intended to do away with the government paying an employer share of its employees' health insurance premium, which assumption is not well-founded.


Damocles said:
First they tried to actually exempt themselves entirely on a weekend vote, but were caught, then when they understood that they would have to pay more, like everybody else will, for crappier coverage they again spasm'd, suddenly they were receiving a subsidy as they had to go to the exchange...
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Cite? What I remember happening was the GOP thought they would be oh so clever and vote on whether Congress and its staffers would have to obtain insurance through the ACA exchanges and the Democrats decided to run with it.


Damocles said:
The reality is, they've minimized their own impact with regard to this law. And again, while retirees elsewhere will not get magical coverage because they "retired" these people will...
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The reality is that Congress and their staffers have to get insurance through the ACA exchanges and will continue to have their employer pay a portion of their health insurance premium as their employer did before the law passed.

On the retirement thing, I can't really speak to hat but I'd appreciate a citation so I can read about it.
 
NOVA said:
I was wrong about what?....Did I post something that was wrong....or are you just an asshole?....

that last one was a rhetorical question, of course you're an asshole....

Man up asshole....exactly what was I wrong about ?....the only thing I did was post an article from the WSJ....
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Such vitriol, and all because I had the temerity to ask NOVA, who had claimed another was wrong, to actually show PRECISELY WHERE Jarod was wrong.

Oh, and you can't read the link unless you subscribe to the WSJ, so another source is needed.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Such vitriol, and all because I had the temerity to ask NOVA, who had claimed another was wrong, to actually show PRECISELY WHERE Jarod was wrong.

Oh, and you can't read the link unless you subscribe to the WSJ, so another source is needed.
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OK Mr. Liar...or Mr. Gets it wrong every time.....

Exactly where did I claim the Jarod was wrong about anything....then

you claim I was wrong about something....lets see wtf you're talking about there too...


Try this link.....http://tinyurl.com/k4ousfv

This latest "exemption' was always about money....everyone paying any attention to the news should have known that.
 
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tekkychick said:
Thanks, Dungheap, for your sanity.

Too bad Nova and others like him refuse to understand.
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I don't understand ?....Look idiot....its all in my post....the second freakin' post in the thread....

I told all of you all this shit from the very beginning....

the White House is creating a double standard. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) that runs federal benefits will release regulatory details this week, but leaks to the press suggest that Congress will receive extra payments based on the FEHBP defined-contribution formula, which covers about 75% of the cost of the average insurance plan. For 2013, that's about $4,900 for individuals and $10,000 for families.

How OPM will pull this off is worth watching. Is OPM simply going to cut checks, akin to "cashing out" fringe benefits and increasing wages? Or will OPM cover 75% of the cost of the ObamaCare plan the worker chooses—which could well be costlier than what the feds now contribute via current FEHBP plans? In any case the carve-out for Congress creates a two-tier exchange system, one for the great unwashed and another for the politically connected.
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So you might want to stfu when you don't know what you're talking about.
 
NOVA said:
I don't understand ?....Look idiot....its all in my post....the second freakin' post in the thread....

I told all of you all this shit from the very beginning....



So you might want to stfu when you don't know what you're talking about.
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So your envy of others rears its ugly head once again.
 
Jarod said:
Well, NOVA, do tell me where I am wrong. I am listening...
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Yeah. Jarhead asks in p14 to tell where hes wrong....but I never said he was wrong about anything the first place....I just post the WSJ explanation of the issue...


NOVA said:
If the WSJ article didn't make it clear to you, have Dungheap explain it to you, he thought you understood it....
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Hence this post...hes still trolling and all he needs to know is in the article already posted in the 2nd post....

You think that comment is somehow me saying he is wrong about something ? If so, learn to fuckin' read
....I never claimed he was wrong about anything, I just showed him a more through explanation of the issue of exemption....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So your envy of others rears its ugly head once again.
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Why would I envy a poster that don't know what they are talking about ?....are you hearing voices again ?....

That convoluted reasoning of yours is starting to concern me....did you huff paint thinner as a teen ?
 
Damocles said:
They mean that they receive a break paying for it, they and their aides have received subsidies that they would not otherwise get to pay for the higher cost healthcare. And at the end of their tenure, after they "retire" they are waived entirely. They are only subject to this law until they "retire", and then only partially.
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But that's the same deal everyone gets, right? If your company pays for 100% of your healthcare coverage nothing will change for you? Correct? So a person employed in Congress has a deal, as part of there compensation, that they get 100% of the health care paid for, they have had that deal for many years. Whats changed as a result of Obamacare? How are they exempt? Exempt from what?
 
NOVA said:
I was wrong about what?....Did I post something that was wrong....or are you just an asshole?....

that last one was a rhetorical question, of course you're an asshole....

Man up asshole....exactly what was I wrong about ?....the only thing I did was post an article from the WSJ....
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You simply have not been able to answer my question.
 
NOVA said:
OK Jughead, just for you....

The poll data is clear and cuts across party lines: 92 percent of the public does not think it is right that Congress and their staff are letting the Obama administration exempt them from the costs of Obamacare.

Now, do you understand what the exemption is ?....I thought it was clear to everyone what they were talking about...why should the taxpayers subsidize people costs
that they are already paying 170,000 a year....


Incidently....

The survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent of them believe workers and retirees should keep keep their current health insurance and not be forced to purchase coverage through the exchanges. The preference for the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program was even more obvious when survey respondents were asked whether they think federal employees should carry their health insurance into retirement, as is the current policy, or enroll in Medicare; 96.1 percent said the current system should not be changed.

When Congress first passed the health care reform, known colloquially as Obamacare, three years ago, attached was an amendment requiring all lawmakers and their staffs to purchase health care insurance via the online exchanges. This meant lawmakers would lose the generous coverage they were granted under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program – where the government subsidized as much as 75 percent of the premiums.

It was written into the bill in the first place on the theory that if Congress was going to make Americans live under the provisions of Obamacare, those who authored it should, as well. But because the language of the amendment contained no guidance on whether the federal contributions toward their health plans was allowed,,,,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/kkh49cm

I hope they love it as much as you will....
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That's assuming its true that Congress is Exempt, which it appears that is simply a semantic lie.
 
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