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Considering his party runs the Senate that hasn't passed a budget don't you think he can exert some leadership over his own party or is he that ineffectual?
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Considering his party runs the Senate that hasn't passed a budget don't you think he can exert some leadership over his own party or is he that ineffectual?
dixon76710
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Yes it is, At least until Obama took office.
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You can't filibuster budget resolutions dumb ass. How do you go through life so fucking ignorant of basic facts?
No wonder the country is going down the shitter. Dumb fucks like you are allowed to vote.
You cannot filibuster a budget or tax vote. That's against Senate rules, it doesn't happen.
You can filibuster a tax vote, but not a budget resolution. You can't filibuster a tax vote under reconciliation procedures, but reconciliation procedures are not necessarily used for tax votes.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Like hell Damo. That's partisan spin.
It is reality.
Incorrect. There was a reason why some people said that the SCOTUS ruling would make it easier to repeal Obamacare, it was because it would be a 50% +1 vote in the Senate due to it being a tax (crap...) passed through reconciliation...
Reid presented the "Obama budget" and Ryan's budget. Both failed. Has the House come up with anything new?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Apparently you've never heard of the Byrd rule. Not surprized.
No, it's not incorrect. You are incorrect. Portions of Obamacare could be repealed through reconciliation, but that doesn't mean that all tax measures under all circumstances cannot be filibustered. The key is reconciliation procedure, not whether it is a "tax bill."
Again, no he didn't. The Senate had a unanimous vote against a republican resolution to pass the Obama budget. And the Ryan Budget comes forward solely because it was passed by the House. It failed, yes, but not unanimously like Obama's. Reid refused to bring forward the actual Budget, so the republicans forced the issue by presenting a resolution which had to have an up or down vote.
Basically, Reid has refused to bring forward any budget proposed by this President, and every resolution presented by the republicans to pass one has been rejected unanimously. When the vote is 97-0, there's something wrong there.
Well, Obama did present 2....get that, 2 budgets to the Congress.....neither one got even 1 'yes' from Democrats, his own bought and paid for party....
NOT EVEN ONE VOTE to approve his budgets.....so maybe he don't fit in....
We exist on 'continuing resolutions'.....and continually raising the debt limit...its the liberal way of crushing the US economy by overwhelming debt and increasing socialism through the welfare state.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy
I posted this years ago and it was ignored as I expect it will be now.
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(1) The Senate didn't vote on the "Obama Budget." The Senate voted on the top-lines spending limits of the Obama Budget (which is quite different).
(2) The Senate voted on the House budget resolution sponsored by Ryan that passed the House. It failed. Whether it failed unanimously is beside the point. And I have no idea what "the actual Budget" you are referring to.
Wait, you can't have it both ways. You can say that the Obama budget was unanimously rejected and that Reid has refused to put forward any budget presented by the President. Either is came up for a vote or it didn't.
Finally, how about an answer to my question. Has the House come up with anything new since its resolution was rejected?
Yes, I noted that with my (crap)... in there. Tax bills can be filibustered, if they are solely tax bills. I thought it was a silly twisted "hope" to say that it could be repealed through an up/down vote (true) and that is why John Roberts did what he did... In fact I thought it was desperate to suggest that. It doesn't make it easier to repeal, that was just silly. It made it law.
Anyway. Nobody gets to filibuster a budget or reconciliation vote. This is why Obamacare was passed through reconciliation and why the republicans can present resolutions to pass budgets that the Senate actually has to vote on.
You simply are ignoring that it was the republicans that presented the resolution for the vote. Not Reid.
Has Obama?
Why the hell does that matter? It came up for a vote.
He has already fulfilled his statutory obligation. It's up to Congress to pass their budget resolutions. That's not got nothing to do with the President.
Because it makes what I stated accurate, and what you stated inaccurate.
They passed theirs. The Senate hasn't fulfilled their statutory obligation.
President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.
Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...ma-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/#ixzz2EOFMhALv
Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...ma-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/#ixzz2EOFMhALv
The Budget of the United States Government often begins as the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. However, Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.
If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as "stop gap" measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as "stop gap" measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget