Congratulations, you took freedom away…

[Into the Night]

Agreed. And, the "keep your hands off my body" argument was not taken way by Dobbs because Roe allowed the states to control a woman's body. States could regulate abortion (method, waiting period, parental consent) during the second trimester and could prohibit abortion during the third trimester. If a state can prohibit abortion the third trimester it is still controlling a woman's body and forcing her to carry the child to term.

I prefer my state keep abortion legal, but nothing in the Constitution specifies a right to privacy. Our rights are enumerated in amendments 1-8 and the 9th (like the 10th) is a statement of principle and contains no specific rights.

The Supreme Court has no power to make up rights they think should be included in the 9th.

The same thing applies to the NY gun control law. The 2nd amendment and all other other rights in the Bill of Rights were meant to restrict only the federal government and not the states and that interpretation was accepted until 1925. To say the 14th amendment due process clause makes those rights applicable to the states was as farfetched a decision as Roe. I like the results because it expands our freedoms, but it is not good constitutional law. The 2nd amendment was not applied to the states until 2010 and prevents the states from passing its own gun regulations if the SC objects.

Rights do not come from any court or from a piece of paper.
The 2nd amendment applied to States since it was first ratified.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. And, the "keep your hands off my body" argument was not taken way by Dobbs because Roe allowed the states to control a woman's body. States could regulate abortion (method, waiting period, parental consent) during the second trimester and could prohibit abortion during the third trimester. If a state can prohibit abortion the third trimester it is still controlling a woman's body and forcing her to carry the child to term.

I prefer my state keep abortion legal, but nothing in the Constitution specifies a right to privacy. Our rights are enumerated in amendments 1-8 and the 9th (like the 10th) is a statement of principle and contains no specific rights.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper, Flash. Rights are not limited to enumerated rights either. You are discarding the 9th and 10th amendments also.

The Supreme Court has no power to make up rights they think should be included in the 9th.

The Supreme Court has no power to interpret or change the Constitution. Rights do not come from the Supreme Court either.

The same thing applies to the NY gun control law. The 2nd amendment and all other other rights in the Bill of Rights were meant to restrict only the federal government and not the states

The 2nd amendment has always applied to the States as well as the federal government.

and that interpretation was accepted until 1925.

Making up different years that it was 'accepted' is meaningless. The Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution, is the authoritative reference of the Constitution.

To say the 14th amendment due process clause makes those rights applicable to the states

The 14th amendment did not affect any applicability whatsoever. Oh, and it also applies to the States.

was as farfetched a decision as Roe.

The Supreme Court exceeded it's authority in Roe v Wade. It does not have authority to change the Constitution. It finally corrected that unjustice.

I like the results because it expands our freedoms, but it is not good constitutional law.

The ONLY Constitutional law is the Constitution itself. No court is Constitutional law.

The 2nd amendment was not applied to the states until 2010

Yet another random number. The 2nd amendment has always applied to the States.

and prevents the states from passing its own gun regulations if the SC objects.

WRONG. It prevents the States from banning or limiting any weapon. It also reemphasizes a State's right to defend itself, as well as an individual to defend himself. The right of self defense does not come from a piece of paper or a court.

 

[Into the Night]

You're free to lie all you want, Sybil. I know you're a psycho and you know you're a psycho....all three of you.

You are hallucinating THREE people named Sybil????????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Because that's what the voices tell you, Sybil?

YOU are the only one that hears voices from some hallucination named 'Sybil', dude! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Why you think anyone else can hear your hallucinations is YOUR problem!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are hallucinating THREE people named Sybil????????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

YOU are the only one that hears voices from some hallucination named 'Sybil', dude! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Why you think anyone else can hear your hallucinations is YOUR problem!

You should take the medicine the docs gave you, Sybil.

 

[Niche Political Commentor]

So you hate the Union?


Rights to bodily autonomy are not federal guaranteed rights?


How about we regulate your balls on a state level?


The states gets to decide wether your BALLS belong to you or them


You do have the edge because no one wants your balls

they are not in the constitution, sorry.

Thankfully, this issue can now be decided democratically, like it has been in every other modern nation. You support democracy, remember?

 

[Niche Political Commentor]

And now the people will make it so


Bite a big one

that's great. I agree with the spirit of roe, limited abortions capped at the first trimester. Just like germany, spain, italy, greece and many other nations have for their laws. It was still bad constitutional law. Even RBG thought so.

Democrats could have passed a law any time in the last half century. This has always been an issue for the legislatures. It's time to get back to the people making these decisions.

 

[Niche Political Commentor]

Question: how is giving people a choice "forcing views" on anyone? Prior to the nonsense of the right wing zealots on the SCOTUS, Roe vs. Wade didn't have ANY language that "forced" anyone to have an abortion. So I await your explanation.

Many americans do not support you killing babies, and will not support your "choice" to kill them.

 

[Sawyerloggingon]

Not to labor the point but this is what you wrote. All I'm saying is that CA alone doesn't have basically unregulated abortion, and that a bunch of red states have the same "liberal" abortion policies as CA. I know cons love to bash CA as a bastion of immorality but that doesn't work when it comes to abortion law.


christiefan: California might make it *mandatory?* WTH does that mean?

Point that I made and that you desperately want to avoid is this ruling didn't make abortion illegal and states are free to make whatever abortion laws they deem appropriate


Sarcasm but it means California will have basically unregulated abortion.

 

[Jarod]

Word stuffing. Argument of the Stone fallacy. Pivot fallacy.

Fallacy of the Fallacy argument.

 

[Earl]

Fallacy of the Fallacy argument.

Was this a fallacy?

Jarod:

“We have the highest income taxes in history.”

 

[Truth Detector]

The Supreme Court, and today they could have taken Abortion without taking it all away. Limiting personal freedom was the broad result of the way they came to this decision, they are not dumb, they know what they did.

There you go with the farcical lies again. Nothing was taken away. No freedoms were limited. It is once more, and correctly, a States decision not the Federal Governments. Be less dishonest and stupid.

Such hypocrisy…

Yes, you wallow in it along with lies and deceit.

AK-47’s must remain legal, even though not mentioned in the Constitution, but Abortion can be made illegal because it’s not mentioned in the constitution.

The Constitution is very clear on guns: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Truth Detector]

Fallacy of the Fallacy argument.

 

[Truth Detector]

Was this a fallacy?

Jarod:

“We have the highest income taxes in history.”

That dullard can't remember what he typed five minutes ago, let alone more than a day.

 

[Into the Night]

You should take the medicine the docs gave you, Sybil.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You hallucination can't have a prescription!

 

[Into the Night]

they are not in the constitution, sorry.

Thankfully, this issue can now be decided democratically, like it has been in every other modern nation. You support democracy, remember?

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.

No, I do not support democracy. It is an unstable form of government that usually dissolves into a dictatorship or oligarchy before long (Athens dissolved into dictatorship).
I support a republic as a form of government, not a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

Fallacy of the Fallacy argument.

Mockery. Denial of logic.

 

[Into the Night]

Was this a fallacy?

Jarod:

“We have the highest income taxes in history.”

Yes. It is an argument from randU fallacy. He's making up numbers and using them as data.

 

[Niche Political Commentor]

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.

No, I do not support democracy. It is an unstable form of government that usually dissolves into a dictatorship or oligarchy before long (Athens dissolved into dictatorship).
I support a republic as a form of government, not a democracy.

a republic is a form of democracy. the trope of "durrrrrrr we aren't a democracy we are a republic" is only something rubes say. Also desh goes on and on about democracy every day, so given the SJC has enabled democracy, she should support it.

 

[Into the Night]

a republic is a form of democracy.

No, it isn't. A democracy is government by popular vote. There is no constitution and there are no representatives. A republic is government by law (constitution). It has both a constitution and representatives, elected in accordance with the procedures laid out in that constitution and given power and authority specified in that constitution. The United States was organized as a federated republic...layers of constitutions, each defining and declaring a government. Each State in turn is a republic. Two States are no longer republics: The SDTC (formerly California) and the SOTNY (formerly the State of New York). The SDTC is currently a dictatorship and the SOTNY is currently an oligarchy. Neither one has a functioning constitution.

the trope of "durrrrrrr we aren't a democracy we are a republic" is only something rubes say.

Insulting people isn't helping you.

Also desh goes on and on about democracy every day, so given the SJC has enabled democracy, she should support it.

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world. The last such attempt was CHAZ, in Seattle, WA. That dissolved into an oligarchy before dissolving completely and the wasteland created by it was cleaned up by city crews. That took two full garbage trucks and was a filthy job.
City of Seattle council members and the mayor referred to it as a 2nd 'summer of love'. I guess the shootings and filth are 'love' to them.