Colorado tragedy: THINK IT THROUGH!

SmarterthanYou said:
while BAC is right, we should also have armor piercing ammo, most carriers that take any serious training use the 2 to the chest, 1 to the head method...meaning that we shoot twice to the chest quickly and if the target doesn't seem affected, then one time to the head.
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Yeah, let's give some CWP joker cop killers to cut loose in a darkened theatre with smoke bombs and panicked people running wild. Yeah, if he doesn't tag more innocent people, maybe the bullets will tear through the door and nail someone else!

Jeezus man, think it through!
 
Taichiliberal said:
Where did I say it was a numbers game regarding innocent lives? And you're missing the point regarding Ft. Hood.....DESPITE being surrounded by trained soldiers with ready armament, you had a mass killing with an armeed perpetraitor. So for people to theorize that some civilian with a CWP or the like would save the day in Colorado is absurd.
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when you don't know what you're talking about, you should keep your mouth shut. The reason Ft Hood was allowed to happen is ONLY the military police are allowed to carry guns on the base. so for you to theorize that a mass killing could happen on a military base with people surrounded by guns makes you look foolish.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, let's give some CWP joker cop killers to cut loose in a darkened theatre with smoke bombs and panicked people running wild. Yeah, if he doesn't tag more innocent people, maybe the bullets will tear through the door and nail someone else!

Jeezus man, think it through!
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you need to think it through. you talk alot of shit about painting with that broad brush, but that's exactly what you're doing by labeling every single non cop gun carrier as a joker or hero wannabe. You're also broad brushing every citizen as less than able compared to the supposedly trained professionals. this is you projecting your own inability and cowardice upon everyone else to bolster what little self esteem you have on your own. There are thousands of us who are former military members who are combat trained and experienced. We don't get re-programmed just because we're no longer active duty military, or are you also incapable of comprehending that?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the definition of 'living' then is really semantics. I consider it a static document simply because it can't change unless a certain process is followed. you consider it a living document simply because it can be changed. at least it's not the earlier living document where supreme courts and constitutional lawyers can redefine words and phrases in the constitution..........well, they still do that so i guess it still applies, making the law fluid and easily changeable.
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What are you talking about? Static means that it doesn't change .. and the Constituion today does not look like the Constitution of the Framers .. That was their genius and you're trying to deny them the glory of that wisdom.

How else could it change without going through a process .. a process that the Framers themselves designed.

Genius .. and it demonstrates the REASON that guided them.

Such wisdom could never be written today because we have become what the Founders warned of. We are NOT guided by Reason, rather by greed, selfishness, and partisanship. The Constitution was a stroke of genius that could not re-produced by today's moronic governance and dumbed-down weak as fuck citizenry .. a term I use loosely.
 
blackascoal said:
What are you talking about? Static means that it doesn't change .. and the Constituion today does not look like the Constitution of the Framers .. That was their genius and you're trying to deny them the glory of that wisdom.

How else could it change without going through a process .. a process that the Framers themselves designed.

Roe v Wade found a right to privacy that does not exist in the text of the Constitution.

Genius .. and it demonstrates the REASON that guided them.

Such wisdom could never be written today because we have become what the Founders warned of. We are NOT guided by Reason, rather by greed, selfishness, and partisanship. The Constitution was a stroke of genius that could not re-produced by today's moronic governance and dumbed-down weak as fuck citizenry .. a term I use loosely.
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that is what I think of when I hear the words "living document". don't be coy, you know that your side has used that term to bend the Constitution to say things it was never meant to say. Look at how the Commerce clause has been stretched beyond any comprehension.

If the 2nd Amendment were read as broadly as the Commerce Clause, then it would be mandated that everyone own a gun
 
FactsRStubborn said:
that is what I think of when I hear the words "living document". don't be coy, you know that your side has used that term to bend the Constitution to say things it was never meant to say. Look at how the Commerce clause has been stretched beyond any comprehension.

If the 2nd Amendment were read as broadly as the Commerce Clause, then it would be mandated that everyone own a gun
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Not really concerned about what you think of, but RoevWade has absolutely nothing to do with the process of amendment, nor anything to do with the fact that the Constitution is and was designed as a living document.

Any argument that it is not a living document in the face of the existence of the amendments, thus the proof of its changing nature, is simply mindless.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Jeezus, talk about stretching to grasp a straw!

the whole point of these jokers is the element of surprise, you idiot! As Gatorman pointed out, Reagan got tagged SURROUNDED BY TRAINED, ARMED PROFESSIONALS. Idiots like you keep trying to fabricate some perfect scenario where a CWP CITIZEN saves the day. As I pointed out, given the facts surrounding Colorado, that fantasy of yours is just a wet dream.
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I fabricated no such thing. This will go a lot smoother for you if you didn't make shit up. I specifically said I don't know what I would have done even though I have a CWP. All I am saying is that I would rather have it than not.
 
blackascoal said:
Not really concerned about what you think of, but RoevWade has absolutely nothing to do with the process of amendment, nor anything to do with the fact that the Constitution is and was designed as a living document.

Any argument that it is not a living document in the face of the existence of the amendments, thus the proof of its changing nature, is simply mindless.
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You also apparently appear to be another dipshit liveral
 
Taichiliberal said:
Where did I say it was a numbers game regarding innocent lives? And you're missing the point regarding Ft. Hood.....DESPITE being surrounded by trained soldiers with ready armament, you had a mass killing with an armeed perpetraitor. So for people to theorize that some civilian with a CWP or the like would save the day in Colorado is absurd.
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I''m not referring solely to the theatre shootings but to mass shootings, in general, and how others being armed would have reduced the numbers of victims. Following are two examples.

(Excerpt) The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself.

Hennard also approached 32-year-old Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp reached for her revolver in her purse, only to remember she had left it in her car to comply with Texas law……Hennard reloaded several times and still had ammunition remaining when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after being cornered and wounded by police. (End)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre
There's a definite possibility it could have ended right then and there if the lady had her revolver with her.



Virginia Tech massacre

(Excerpt) Cho's first attack after entering Norris occurred in an advanced hydrology engineering class taught by Professor G. V. Loganathan in room 206. Cho first shot and killed the professor, then continued shooting, killing nine of the 13 students in the room and injuring two others. Next, Cho went across the hall to room 207, in which instructor Christopher James Bishop was teaching German. Cho killed Bishop and four students; six students were wounded. Cho then moved on to Norris 211 and 204. In both of these classrooms, Cho was initially prevented from entering the classroom by barricades erected by instructors and students. In room 204, Professor Liviu Librescu, an Israeli Holocaust survivor, forcibly prevented Cho from entering the room. Librescu was able to hold the door closed until most of his students escaped through the windows, but he died after being shot multiple times through the door. One student in his classroom was killed. Instructor Jocelyne Couture-Nowak and student Henry Lee were killed in room 211 as they attempted to barricade the door. Eleven students died in room 211; the six students who survived all suffered gunshot wounds. (End)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

Room 206, 207, 211 and 204. He basically cruised the halls and if just one teacher was armed it might have ended quickly.
 
blackascoal said:
What are you talking about? Static means that it doesn't change .. and the Constituion today does not look like the Constitution of the Framers .. That was their genius and you're trying to deny them the glory of that wisdom.

How else could it change without going through a process .. a process that the Framers themselves designed.

Genius .. and it demonstrates the REASON that guided them.

Such wisdom could never be written today because we have become what the Founders warned of. We are NOT guided by Reason, rather by greed, selfishness, and partisanship. The Constitution was a stroke of genius that could not re-produced by today's moronic governance and dumbed-down weak as fuck citizenry .. a term I use loosely.
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again, semantics.
 
blackascoal said:
Not really concerned about what you think of, but RoevWade has absolutely nothing to do with the process of amendment, nor anything to do with the fact that the Constitution is and was designed as a living document.

Any argument that it is not a living document in the face of the existence of the amendments, thus the proof of its changing nature, is simply mindless.
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I disagree. the constitution is not a changing document. if it were, the people wouldn't need to worry about proposing changes. the constitution cannot change without us.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Where did I say it was a numbers game regarding innocent lives? And you're missing the point regarding Ft. Hood.....DESPITE being surrounded by trained soldiers with ready armament, you had a mass killing with an armeed perpetraitor. So for people to theorize that some civilian with a CWP or the like would save the day in Colorado is absurd.
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when you don't know what you're talking about, you should keep your mouth shut. The reason Ft Hood was allowed to happen is ONLY the military police are allowed to carry guns on the base. so for you to theorize that a mass killing could happen on a military base with people surrounded by guns makes you look foolish.
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Hey jackass, a MILITARY BASE where ARMED SECURITY is part of the make up, and weapons are available to those who can have the authoriity to sign them out. The chances of some other armed officer or military police being in the vicinity to capture or kill the perpetraitor is far greater..but that DID NOT DETER THE PERPETRAITOR. Deal with it.

For anyone to try and create a scenario where a CWP citizen saves the day in that Colorado theatre is absurd given the FACTS! But that won't stop the gun manufacturer flunkies from trying! Think it through!
 
evince said:
yeap its your own fault for getting killed by crazies because you didnt wear full body armor to the beach that day
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Just because the body armor stops the bullet from penetrating, it doesn't negate the force of the shoot.
People wearing body armor who are shot, still fall down and are hurt (broke rips, shattered arm or leg bones, etc.
 
blackascoal said:
A sad and unfortunate truth my wise friend.

"Buy more guns now .. they're coming after them"

"What if you and your fellow patriots were at a movie with your children and some wacko bursts in with automatic weapons and with body armor on from head to toe. Is that Magnum gonna' bring that sucker down .. or do you need somthin' really big with armor-piercing shells to do the job?"

I bet that ad is playing somewhere in the south.
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Yes, it will bring them down.
It won't kill them; but they are more then likely going to fall down.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Yeah, let's give some CWP joker cop killers to cut loose in a darkened theatre with smoke bombs and panicked people running wild. Yeah, if he doesn't tag more innocent people, maybe the bullets will tear through the door and nail someone else!

Jeezus man, think it through!
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you need to think it through. you talk alot of shit about painting with that broad brush, but that's exactly what you're doing by labeling every single non cop gun carrier as a joker or hero wannabe. You're also broad brushing every citizen as less than able compared to the supposedly trained professionals. this is you projecting your own inability and cowardice upon everyone else to bolster what little self esteem you have on your own. There are thousands of us who are former military members who are combat trained and experienced. We don't get re-programmed just because we're no longer active duty military, or are you also incapable of comprehending that?
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Once again, you're weaving some wet "would've, could've" dream that just isn't happening in real life regarding CWP and crime. Yeah, go ahead and quote your stats, because I'll put a microscope on it it and take the wind out of those sails.

Let me just put an end to your BS: in that Colorado theatre, you had a guy WITH BODY ARMOR THAT INCLUDED HIS NECK AREA, toss two smoke bombs and then cut loose with a semi-auto in a DARKENED THEATRE. So your fantasy CWP hero would have to be carrying teflon coated ammo, and then be able to put one into the perp WITHOUT hitting one of the patrons running around like chickens with heads...that is if he wasn't blinded by the smoke. You HOPE this is done without a miss, because the bullet would most definitely go through an adjoining wall or door (which at least 2 of the perp's bullets did). Now, if there is more than one CWP in the crowed, you HOPE that one doesn't mistake the other as the perp's accomplis (dark figures, muzzle flashes), or that other unarmed citizens don't jump them or that cops showing up don't accidently shoot them.

What's hysterical is that a clown like you calls me a coward for simply pointing out your impotent laden wet dream in relation to reality. Sorry bunky, but YOU are just like the rest of us here....an anonymous poster. Unlike you, I'm not being a flunkie for gun manufacturers protecting their profits by keeping YOU scared and filled up with bluff and bluster....and I don't need a gun(s) to feel secure in my own country.

Here's the nitty gritty: Seems the Patriot ACT isn't cutting it, because this clown copped 6K of ammo, body armor and other para-military stuff off the net (in addition to the type/number of weapons he purchased), AND DID NOT RAISE A RED FLAG! But, NRA dupes wail that LESS gun regulations aon oversight will make us MORE secure.

Sorry, but reality versus theory just won't make that dog fly.
 
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